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Switch Lite is a side product, when will Switch Pro arrive?

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RolStoppable said:

1. When did they say that?

2. If they said that recently, support can mean as little as adding a VR mode to one more existing title.

Nintendo Labo has been positively received as a “Nintendo-like” product since its announcement nearly one year ago. Sales of the three Nintendo Labo kits totaled over 1 million units worldwide as of the end of 2018. Before the first kits launched last April, we expected sales and consumer reception to be different from traditional video games like Mario or Zelda. Nintendo Labo has been incorporated into classes at 100 elementary schools across the US, and has received awards and acknowledgements from various domestic and international media, in categories of toys and of other general consumer products experiences. So, as we expected, it appears that Nintendo Labo has been accepted by our consumers differently than traditional video games.

The three Nintendo Labo kits released last year received an Innovation Award at the Game Developers Conference in the US this March, and a BAFTA Family award and Game Innovation award at this month’sBritish Academy Games Awards. The product has been recognized for its innovation in many countries and we are exceptionally proud of these achievements. Nintendo Labo is even being used in schools, and we are continuing to pursue sales so that even more consumers can enjoy the series.

Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2019/190426_3e.pdf & https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2019/190201_2e.pdf



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Honestly, I think it more likely that they come out with a switch tv, a non portable switch, then a switch pro. Then people would have a choice of what they want, portable only, tv only, or both with the original. Not sure why anybody would get either of the limited options... but Nintendo believes there is a market for it...so there probably is...



gergroy said:
Honestly, I think it more likely that they come out with a switch tv, a non portable switch, then a switch pro. Then people would have a choice of what they want, portable only, tv only, or both with the original. Not sure why anybody would get either of the limited options... but Nintendo believes there is a market for it...so there probably is...

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TheMisterManGuy said:
RolStoppable said:

1. When did they say that?

2. If they said that recently, support can mean as little as adding a VR mode to one more existing title.

Nintendo Labo has been positively received as a “Nintendo-like” product since its announcement nearly one year ago. Sales of the three Nintendo Labo kits totaled over 1 million units worldwide as of the end of 2018. Before the first kits launched last April, we expected sales and consumer reception to be different from traditional video games like Mario or Zelda. Nintendo Labo has been incorporated into classes at 100 elementary schools across the US, and has received awards and acknowledgements from various domestic and international media, in categories of toys and of other general consumer products experiences. So, as we expected, it appears that Nintendo Labo has been accepted by our consumers differently than traditional video games.

The three Nintendo Labo kits released last year received an Innovation Award at the Game Developers Conference in the US this March, and a BAFTA Family award and Game Innovation award at this month’sBritish Academy Games Awards. The product has been recognized for its innovation in many countries and we are exceptionally proud of these achievements. Nintendo Labo is even being used in schools, and we are continuing to pursue sales so that even more consumers can enjoy the series.

Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2019/190426_3e.pdf & https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2019/190201_2e.pdf

The bolded statement was made a few days after the VR Kit was released. Note that they don't mention sales numbers in this blurb anymore, unlike in the other quote you posted which is from three months earlier.

The VR Kit was the last one to be released of the kits that they showed during the announcement trailer in early 2018. Given the lack of commercial success, nobody should expect a fifth kit.



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RolStoppable said:

The bolded statement was made a few days after the VR Kit was released. Note that they don't mention sales numbers in this blurb anymore, unlike in the other quote you posted which is from three months earlier.

The VR Kit was the last one to be released of the kits that they showed during the announcement trailer in early 2018. Given the lack of commercial success, nobody should expect a fifth kit.

Perhaps it was too early to give updated sales figures for Labo. They didn't give official sales figures for Labo until after the Holidays either. As they said, it's being treated differently from the main Nintendo Switch lineup. 1 million isn't an unsuccessful product. Niche? Sure, but far from a failure.



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Never. It would be even more pointless than the Switch Lite.



gergroy said:
Honestly, I think it more likely that they come out with a switch tv, a non portable switch, then a switch pro. Then people would have a choice of what they want, portable only, tv only, or both with the original. Not sure why anybody would get either of the limited options... but Nintendo believes there is a market for it...so there probably is...

Well, as they successfully reduced the price by one third for the Lite, I can see why Nintendo believes there is a market for it.

For a TV-only Switch I am not so sure. While handhelds are a market and nothing current is in that market besides Switch a Switch Lite at a lower pricepoint to further dominate that market makes sense. In the TV-console area though there is competition. And I don't see what a non-portable Switch on TV offers over a PS4. The hybrid Switch allows to seamlessly switch between TV and handheld, this is something else. For a TV-only Switch something additional is needed.



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TheMisterManGuy said:

Perhaps it was too early to give updated sales figures for Labo. They didn't give official sales figures for Labo until after the Holidays either. As they said, it's being treated differently from the main Nintendo Switch lineup. 1 million isn't an unsuccessful product. Niche? Sure, but far from a failure.

The first time they provided sales figures for Labo was in the briefing for Q1 of fiscal year 2018. Combined shipments for the Variety Kit and Robot Kit had reached 1.39m units as far as I remember. The figure barely moved upwards during the rest of the fiscal year. Despite the release of the Vehicle Kit, Labo didn't manage to cross 2m in calendar year 2018, so combined shipments during Q2 and Q3 of the fiscal year were under 0.61m.

Considering that Nintendo's in-house development teams have the task to develop products that improve hardware sales, Labo has been unsuccessful and there's no way around it. The Labo series of games has been a failure because it couldn't meet its goal of bringing in new customers. Nintendo sugarcoats the shortcoming of Labo by pointing towards awards that were won, but they did forego to give Labo a holiday marketing push because they already knew that the money is much better spent on Super Mario Party, Pokémon: Let's Go and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Internally they had written off Labo long before the year 2018 had ended.

It's doubtful that they will make any more sales figures of Labo public, simply because Labo isn't going to hit a new sales milestone.



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There will be no Switch Pro. We may see a model with a 1080p screen and a slightly higher clock speed, but it will not even be advertised as a mid gen refresh.

What I predict is a full blow Switch 2 in 2022 (5 year cycle) that is fully BC with the current models, as that is the only thing that makes sense to me at this point. Given the jump to next gen for Nintendo's competition, anything less than a full generational leap will be viewed as "not enough" by the media and picked apart for "only being 1080p" and only serve to either draw out the life of Switch 1 or be viewed as screwing over people who bought a "Pro" for releasing a new device soon after.

There is another possibility however...one that is possible...but also caused someone to accuse me of drinking on a wendsday...

The Switch Lite might be a way for Nintendo to phase out the hybrid nature of the device with next gen consoles, and make it a full on 3DS successor with a head start in install base. Then early next year (or the game awards), reveal that the rumored Switch Pro is actually a new dedicated home console set to release in 2020 or 2021, making it completely different from the Switch altogether, but possibly have BC with performance upgrades to Switch games alongside the games that will be just for that console. This would allow Nintendo to have an existing library similar to how Sony and MS will have with their own BC.

Just a thought...



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Mnementh said:
gergroy said:
Honestly, I think it more likely that they come out with a switch tv, a non portable switch, then a switch pro. Then people would have a choice of what they want, portable only, tv only, or both with the original. Not sure why anybody would get either of the limited options... but Nintendo believes there is a market for it...so there probably is...

Well, as they successfully reduced the price by one third for the Lite, I can see why Nintendo believes there is a market for it.

For a TV-only Switch I am not so sure. While handhelds are a market and nothing current is in that market besides Switch a Switch Lite at a lower pricepoint to further dominate that market makes sense. In the TV-console area though there is competition. And I don't see what a non-portable Switch on TV offers over a PS4. The hybrid Switch allows to seamlessly switch between TV and handheld, this is something else. For a TV-only Switch something additional is needed.

Basically it would allow them to reduce the price of the unit, much like the portable only unit.  Also, you can’t play Nintendo games on a PS4, that is how it differentiates.  The games.