anti discrimination laws

https://www.google.com/search?q=trans+laws+new+york&oq=trans+laws+new+york&aqs=chrome..69i57.2997j0j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

do you think a fat man should be able to identify as a thin muscular man btw? and have that perception forced on other people?

So the laws that deal with "Discrimination protections in credit, housing, employment, education, and public accommodation have explicitly included sexual orientation since 2003 and gender identity or expression since 2019" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_New_York

You take issue with the ruling that employers and landlords can't discriminate against people for being trans? 

I think he should be able to go to work or pay his rent without being harassed for being fat, yes. If that's the perception that's being forced on others I'm totally happy with it.

"ou take issue with the ruling that employers and landlords can't discriminate against people for being trans?

discrimination is an inherent part of hiring

employers look through the lists of applicants they have and decide on those applicants they believe to be most appropriate for a position

appropriate meaning qualifications primarily but also with regards to how well they'll fit in a particular work place, if they'll be able to carry out their duties appropriately etc etc etc

I expect that in some respects trans people might not be a good fit for certain positions so they may be discriminated against

an example I can think of is modeling where models have a particular body type because they are expected to demonstrate how clothes will fit or another is intimate self care with women where they may get waxing done for example and may be more comfortable having other women do certain procedures

there is sexist discrimination within these examples and many others already, but what happens when someone simply declares that reality doesn't apply to them?

as for landlords, discrimination also exists obviously because no one wants a tenant that's going to give them issues, this isn't exclusive to trans people obviously

"I think he should be able to go to work or pay his rent without being harassed for being fat"

discrimination != harassment

every single person discriminates many many times in one day, its just that "woke" people pretend otherwise because of course everyone is equal

Which is why we institute laws such as this to distinguish what information you can and cannot use when making certain decisions. Race is considered a "protected class" and as such, you cannot decide against hiring someone due to race. On the other hand "intelligence" is not considered a protected class, so you are allowed to decide against hiring someone due to college grades.

Your other complaints such as "female waxers" are considered within the law under the "Bona Fide Occupational Qualification" provisions of anti-discrimination laws, which essentially state that if a certain quality is fundamental to a position, the employer may discriminate based upon that quality.

" Race is considered a "protected class" and as such, you cannot decide against hiring someone due to race."

and now so is gender which is why a trans woman demanded that she have her scrotum waxed

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9607639/trans-woman-jessica-yaniv-waxing-complaint/

First of all, that ignores all of my primary rebuttals to your post. It is little more than a "Look over here" rebuttal which seeks to distract from the conversation instead of confront it.

Second, a resounding "Who cares?".

Third, pointing to open litigation establishes nothing. Stupid people sue for stupid reasons literally every day. That doesn't mean we should throw out laws. From what I've read, it seems those handling the case agree that this is stupid, so it seems highly unlikely that it will result in anything worth complaining about.

"First of all, that ignores all of my primary rebuttals to your post."

because its pretty hard to make certain arguments in this context when we can't even agree on something as basic as whether humans can be classified into male and female

I remember when I first watched this video a year or two back, I honestly couldn't believe that someone could be so bold to make such a blatantly stupid claim... but now its actually becoming a dominant ideology, its really is absolutely amazing and now I'm starting understand why that person felt so assured in making that proposition

anyway "are considered within the law under the "Bona Fide Occupational Qualification" provisions of anti-discrimination laws, which essentially state that if a certain quality is fundamental to a position, the employer may discriminate based upon that quality."

how can that apply here when this ideology is claiming that trans women literally are women?

I would have posted this rebuttal before but as I've said we don't even agree on the fundamentals here so...

"Second, a resounding "Who cares?"."

uh ok

"Stupid people sue for stupid reasons literally every day."

fair enough

I strongly suggest you stop having dishonest "debates" on topics with which you obviously won't change your mind on. Either you have a legitimate comprehension problem when it comes to other ways of thinking (that would explain why you make so many logical fallacies in your arguments as a way to connect the dots) or maybe due to the anonymity and unaccountability the internet gives you, you have grown a disconnect with your online and irl personas so you don't care about the truth of the matter or learning anything anymore and have since become comfortable in this state. So because of this you instead focus your energy on espousing factually and politically incorrect propositions, moving goalposts, misdirecting a convo you started, blatantly being duplicitous on your positions, etc. (to the point where it's satirical) just for your own personal satisfaction. I honestly don't know what satisfaction you would get out of this though, maybe you want someone to hear you or maybe you just want someone to get frustrated with your underhanded way of debating. Or it could be something else ENTIRELY, idk I don't know you, I can only go by what you've shown.

Either way, if you really want to know the experiences and issues of trans individuals and what they go through, go to your nearest LGBT center and just listen to them speak. Since you aren't on the internet and among a queer environment it'll be harder for you to do as you do here and you'll learn something and hopefully change your opinion.

Just a tip.

Some don't like gender roles but that does not mean one has to physically transition. Some may like other gender roles and want that role but that does not mean they have to physically transition.

No one has to transition.  But, if one feels that transitioning would make them happier, has spoken to appropriate medical and psychological experts who agree that transitioning would be better for that person, and has done other appropriate research to make an informed decision on the matter, should they be allowed to?