First bolded:I should not have typed "we" and should have typed what i personally thought about it but im pretty sure the OP his intention of this thread was not saying children shouldn't be supported but more children shouldn't be abused and i know you like to transform that because of the examples but his intention stays.(The examples are no proof of support OR abuse so to use those the transform the argument in this thread being against support is really silly)
Second bolded: If you say there is a sizable chance that someone with concerns gets shut down then you can also agree that there is a chance someone that should have no concerns can be pushed toward a wrong identity no?And what about childhood shizophrenia,have you thought about that?Or kids with autism that are socially confused?
And no your link to that research did not include children that are pushed into it so it is worthless to bring it up as argument.
Can you just understand that it is just not totally safe yet to assume ALL kids are better off with another gender when they ask for it?
Also the thread is totally not about children being supported, but that is just another assumption of you and that makes it very hard to get anything through to you and through the wall of ideology.I can say i kick my dog to support it but that doesnt make it actual support.
In the very first post he said:
"At what point is pushing (or even considering) a prepubescent child to question there gender considerd child abuse? For example Charlize theorn..."
it's right there "pushing (or even considering)". And then he uses two examples where there is no pushing evident just parents taking their kid's words for it and asks if this is child abuse. That's what I'm arguing against. This idea that a kid is just too young to think about these things and (because I assume anything more than this would be deemed considering) their questions should be ignored. I'm saying that age appropriate support should be provided based on psychological community consensus. That means allowing your kid to dress how they like for a while, then puberty blockers with the help of psychological professionals if that's what the child wants, then hormone therapy, then sex reassignment.
Here are the situations I see:
Child insists they are male or female
Parent insists they are the opposite of what the child claims (whether that means parents pushing kids to be trans or to be cis)
Child insists they are male or female
Parent works with the child to figure out this question doing their best to not push them one way or another but instead allow them to figure it out themselves.
I'm in favor of situation 2 and against situation 1 regardless of if that results in someone being mistakenly thought of as Cis or trans. I'm never in favor of the parent pushing what they think the kid's gender identity should be on them.
The research is indicating that if your child is trans you should be supportive and that leads to the best psychological outcomes, the thing I've been saying throughout this entire fucking thread. Not push them one way or another, be supportive. Every time we go through this you say "well what if the kids are pushed towards being trans" and I tell you again that I'm not in favor of that. Kids should be supported in working through these questions regardless of the answer they end up at. That seems to give the best outcomes for the child. If they decide they are trans, great, and if not that's great too. And obviously if one is considering the possibility that their child is trans they should see a professional before things get beyond letting them dress however they like. That should help with your questions of if the child has other psychological conditions that could confuse the situation.
And again, you equate a parent helping a child work through their gender questions with physical abuse. Can you come up with an example that isn't obviously biased?
Lastly, if we both agree that the kids should be supported in working through their gender identity then we agree. You say it's hard to get through to me, but I'm ready and waiting to agree with you. Just seems like every time I say "a kid should be supported through working out their gender" you say "well some kids are pushed towards being trans" and I say "yeah that's bad, they should be supported, not pushed" and we go round and around again.Last edited by Torillian - on 25 April 2019