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How Democrats Went from Opposing Illegal Immigration to Supporting it.

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Mr Puggsly said:
vivster said:

Illegal immigrants can vote?

Immigrants when/if they can vote, or the next generation tend to vote democrat. It also encourages people to vote democrat because it creates fear about throwing out illegals who have settled into the country.

There are certainly scenarios where illegals immigrants have voted illegally and they support democrats. That's is why there has been debate about voter IDs. Some cities are actually allowing illegals to vote in local elections, which means they're shaping communities in such a way only citizens should but its ignored because they support left wing causes.

Estimates say there are about 20 million illegals in the country, that's more people than most countries even have. Democrats don't much care though because its their base and want them treated the same as citizens. Most illegals are latin and helps them with that demo. Basically the way we handle immigration is antithetical to every other developed country.

Pretty much spot on. Legal immigration? Absolutely. But illegal immigration is out of control. It’s all political, and it’s disgusting. Democrats claim they’re philanthropists, but it’s all about votes. And Republicans are guilty of the same crap. When is someone going to genuinely care about what needs to be done for our country rather than power and money?

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the-pi-guy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Immigrants when/if they can vote, or the next generation tend to vote democrat. It also encourages people to vote democrat because it creates fear about throwing out illegals who have settled into the country.

There are certainly scenarios where illegals immigrants have voted illegally and they support democrats. That's is why there has been debate about voter IDs. Some cities are actually allowing illegals to vote in local elections, which means they're shaping communities in such a way only citizens should but its ignored because they support left wing causes.

Estimates say there are about 20 million illegals in the country, that's more people than most countries even have. Democrats don't much care though because its their base and want them treated the same as citizens. Most illegals are latin and helps them with that demo. Basically the way we handle immigration is antithetical to every other developed country.

Where's the source for these mighty claims?  

Despite many studies looking into illegal voters, every study has shown that it's a minuscule number.

Your first sentence wants proof, your second suggest it does happen but not a significant problem.

Either way, voter fraud seems to be an issue that benefits the left most often. We also see democrats genuinely trying to give illegals and criminals voting rights. It just seems the dems are party vying for power. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like dems did better when they appealed to working class and didn't treat white people as an obstacle.



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Leftism is all about power. Whatever direction power is going they (leftists) go with it.

Listen, I am a South America immigrant myself and, before we even come to the USA we already are highly inclined to like the Democrat Party because of how both parties are portrayed by our media: The Republican Party is portrayed as an ultra-conservative intolerant party that likes to show off american military dominance around the world by creating wars and invading other countries in a very imperial fashion and Democrats are portrayed as the party of peace and tolerance.

But of course after we learn more about american history and its culture we tend to come to the realization that the Republican Party is mostly about conserving the values and principles that made us want to move here in the first place. So as we assimilate the political advantage the Democrats have in these demographics starts to rapidly shrink. That is why they are for mass illegal immigration, because when so many people from the same culture are coming in they don't have a great incentive to assimilate to the country they are moving to.

So leftists know that if illegal immigration is reduced substantially they lose power, because  it is very hard to fool people once they are assimilated.

Now, for those of you who really love the USA and all that this great nation stands for you have to somehow fight for the sovereignty of your country in order to reduce this massive cultural shift that illegal immigration is bringing about.

Listen, I don't want President Trump to deport all of the illegals living in the US indiscriminately, because I deeply believe that most of the people that came here could be assimilated and greatly contribute to our society, but if this insane illegal immigration crisis is not dealt with we are going to turn into a very different country that is going to look much more like a Latin American country than anything remotely resembling America.



Mr Puggsly said:
the-pi-guy said:

Where's the source for these mighty claims?  

Despite many studies looking into illegal voters, every study has shown that it's a minuscule number.

Your first sentence wants proof, your second suggest it does happen but not a significant problem.

Either way, voter fraud seems to be an issue that benefits the left most often. We also see democrats genuinely trying to give illegals and criminals voting rights. It just seems the dems are party vying for power. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like dems did better when they appealed to working class and didn't treat white people as an obstacle.

Yes. Where is the proof that millions of voters are voting fraudulently?  Every study into the matter has shown the numbers are on the scale of a few dozen out of 200 million.  

 

Where is the evidence that Democrats are benefitting from it?  Out of the few occurrences of voter fraud in 2016, most of them voted for Republicans .

 

I have no problem with voter ID laws.  But why is it that so much of the time, they get followed by making it harder for minorities to vote?  

Democrats giving criminals voting rights is a vastly  different issue.  



Soundwave said:

Such a scam issue. Trump uses it as a dog whistle because he knows it riles up a select portion of gullible white people who are terrified of immigrants that just want to clean hotels, pick fruit, and nanny some fat, spoiled American kids (oh noez!)

The fact of the matter is most of these folkes are actually quite conservative, they are quite religious usually, anti-abortion, and pro-business/pro-entrepreneurship. They're probably more conservative than the average American. If Republicans would stop demonizing them every 10 seconds they might actually get some of those votes.

In the long run they will have to, the "Trump crowd" is mostly old, bitter people who will be dead in 10-15 years. They can't rely on that base forever, the younger demographics of the US are much more diverse and they will have to eventually accept that the politics of scapegoating groups like Latinos won't work.

A lot of it is bunk too, in the 17 years since 9/11, how many terrorists have come from the Southern border? Zero. If you wanted to be a gang-banger criminal, which is a better place, Mexico, where you can do as you please, or the US where a person of color can get their ass thrown in jail just for looking sideways at a cop and has a for-profit prison industry based on throwing tons of people into jail?

Trump has also flip-flopped on a lot of bull shit, he was pro-choice and even backed Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban in the 90s and 2000s ... good luck getting him to admit to that today. Also I'm sure he had his clothing line made in China just by accident too.

I'm not white. Not unless you assumed that I was.

Immigration is a touchy subject for me because I am a legal immigrant who waited for 10 years to be legally processed. And yet the democrats are willing to cuddle illegal immigrants for possible votes.



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vivster said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

No, the statement is that they bring in illegal immigrants who will then vote for them.

Illegal immigrants can vote?

If they can get proper healthcare and Social Security benefits through some underhanded means, I won't be surprised if they can.



the-pi-guy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Your first sentence wants proof, your second suggest it does happen but not a significant problem.

Either way, voter fraud seems to be an issue that benefits the left most often. We also see democrats genuinely trying to give illegals and criminals voting rights. It just seems the dems are party vying for power. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like dems did better when they appealed to working class and didn't treat white people as an obstacle.

Yes. Where is the proof that millions of voters are voting fraudulently?  Every study into the matter has shown the numbers are on the scale of a few dozen out of 200 million.  

 

Where is the evidence that Democrats are benefitting from it?  Out of the few occurrences of voter fraud in 2016, most of them voted for Republicans .

 

I have no problem with voter ID laws.  But why is it that so much of the time, they get followed by making it harder for minorities to vote?  

Democrats giving criminals voting rights is a vastly  different issue.  

The thing is there never is really any need these days for Proof.  As long as people feel this is happening then politicians will take advantage of those perception or create those perceptions.  This is the reason why we are in this thread today because of feelings.  I feel this is happening or I heard from someone, Youtube, tweet, political rally or statement.

When you really think about it you see how the current Republicans absolutely love this caravan of people coming to the US.  Nothing plays better for them then to make statements it's the Dems funding them.  Yep, the Dems is funding a caravan of people to illegal come into the US and somehow find a way to vote during elections.  It definitely plays to the fears of their base very well even if there isn't a shred of proof to it.  If that scenario doesn't work then they will proclaim they are trying to get here birth some babies and then those kids can vote Democrat in 18 years.

Since the popular vote doesn't matter, you really have to think about how this really plays out.



iron_megalith said:
Soundwave said:

Such a scam issue. Trump uses it as a dog whistle because he knows it riles up a select portion of gullible white people who are terrified of immigrants that just want to clean hotels, pick fruit, and nanny some fat, spoiled American kids (oh noez!)

The fact of the matter is most of these folkes are actually quite conservative, they are quite religious usually, anti-abortion, and pro-business/pro-entrepreneurship. They're probably more conservative than the average American. If Republicans would stop demonizing them every 10 seconds they might actually get some of those votes.

In the long run they will have to, the "Trump crowd" is mostly old, bitter people who will be dead in 10-15 years. They can't rely on that base forever, the younger demographics of the US are much more diverse and they will have to eventually accept that the politics of scapegoating groups like Latinos won't work.

A lot of it is bunk too, in the 17 years since 9/11, how many terrorists have come from the Southern border? Zero. If you wanted to be a gang-banger criminal, which is a better place, Mexico, where you can do as you please, or the US where a person of color can get their ass thrown in jail just for looking sideways at a cop and has a for-profit prison industry based on throwing tons of people into jail?

Trump has also flip-flopped on a lot of bull shit, he was pro-choice and even backed Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban in the 90s and 2000s ... good luck getting him to admit to that today. Also I'm sure he had his clothing line made in China just by accident too.

I'm not white. Not unless you assumed that I was.

Immigration is a touchy subject for me because I am a legal immigrant who waited for 10 years to be legally processed. And yet the democrats are willing to cuddle illegal immigrants for possible votes.

10 years? Why did it take so long?



He's refering to "illegail immigrants" and "immigrants" interchangeably.

Where did the claim that "the Democrats plan to give all illegal immigrants citizenship" come from?
He said "read the democrats 2016 party platform". That's extremely vague compared to the source of the previous fact he mentioned. I've never heard of this.

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Democrats don't support illegal immigration. They support law. They support following it. Trump doesn't really think we are under attack by them. He only thinks that Republicans are so stupid that they have already been groomed to react to certain dog whistles and free mongering. Thats why he refers to these poor people as invaders. They are 'coming to get you'. He sent more troops down to the border than people actually there. And most people don't realize that they can't be used to attack these poor people because of strict guidelines. They are just for show to create the illusion of a real threat.