Are you suggesting democrats don't want to deal with voter fraud because its a waste of resources? Its refreshing to see them care about spending. Any who, I'm glad we moved the discussion from it not being a thing to not a serious thing.

Right, we don't disagree on the voter ID thing. But the left likes to claim even getting a state ID is too much of an obstacle for some people. They will always fight voter IDs.

I was using the criminal voting thing as an example of dems looking wherever they can for more support. I guess they find that easier than appealing to the working class like they used to. And again, they waste more time attacking people that support republicans as opposed to trying to win their support.

You seem to misunderstand metaphors. My point was that attacking someone for doing a good thing for a selfish reason is fairly silly, especially when you are comparing it to doing a bad thing for a selfish reason. Either way, you have Democrats supporting the restoration of possibly the most important right within a democracy to a large group of taxpaying individuals whose rights should be better represented within our government.

And once again, all of the evidence to support these assertions of motive seems to boil down to "I think" or "I don't think", which does little to actual support a discussion.

illegals do not make even .1% of the votes in this country and those that do that get caught anyway. Republicans need to quit this BS while they yell fake news daily

Trash PragerU video. This showed up in my recommendations on Youtube. These people have no shame.

325 million US citizens

12 million illegals

3% of the population

Mainly retrogression. During Obama's admin they clamped down on immigrant applications. Then we got hit by multiple issues due to their change of procedures and protocols. My father getting diagnosed with cancer on the 8th year of waiting for our petition. This made us adjust our immigrant application to separate my application as I my application was tied with my father. Basically a lot of complicated stuff.

My mother was in United States for 10 years all by herself. It was painful and depressing at times but I did not hate the immigration policy changes. I always understood that applying to be an immigrant is not my right but a privilege that will be granted upon me.

If you're surprised about 10 years, there are those who waited more than I. So when people say that tougher immigration is only an agenda of a xenophobic white man, think twice. I'm a native South East Asian legal immigrant who wants a fair process for everyone. People like Soundwave who parrot this dumb agenda spit on the hardships of law abiding people like me who faced a lot of hardships just to get in legally. Taking a risky journey on a small boat crossing the border illegally doesn't put them above us.

I do wish to bring up a trivial experience. I've even encountered some co-workers of mine who are Hispanic legal immigrants who came from South America. To my surprise they are also pissed at the democrats tone towards demonizing tougher immigration enforcement.

This caravan doesn't really prove anything as far as illegal immigration.  The only thing it proves is that desperate people will go to a place they feel offer a better life.  Currently we have no clue how many will seek asylum or will try to illegally cross.  The only thing we can infer from this caravan is that its coming.  The talking point from Trump is that everyone is a criminal, gang thug, terrorist you name it, It still plays to his base.

Even on local level, the most progressive city like Sans Fran do not allow illegals to vote on a city or state level.  Instead they can only vote on school board elections and only if they have a child who was born in the US.  There is no state that allows illegals to vote in state elections.  As I stated, its the fear that is made and flamed then any actual facts.  You can take the President comment from one of his rallies where he proclaimed that their are states allowing illegals to vote.  He made it ambiguous enough so that he wasn't totally lying but left it so that people would believe him without  fact checking and believe its on a state or federal level.  It's a very common political tactic especially when you know the people will just take your word for it without checking facts or context.  

Also think about what you are suggesting.  You are suggesting that the millions of illegals are here thinking about illegally voting to do what.  Most are scared of ever being found out they are here illegally and voting is the last thing on their mind.  The though process or even this caravan of a thousand souls is looking to illegally come into the US and find some way to vote illegally so they can do what.  At the end of the day, all this does is play to your fears.  Its like a movie director who make the squeaky noise, turn off the lights and let your imagination fill in the blank even though their is nothing there.

Ignorance is a choice, yet people still choose ignorance lmao, Americans seem to forget some of the fundamental principles this country was founded on.

Again, I never said it didn't exist.  I said it was a minuscule number.  

Democrats don't like to waste resources.

I think it's strange that a lot of rightists who tend to think that government usually can't do things right, have immense trust for the government to do things right when it comes to voter id laws.  

Because it can be a challenge for people:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.58226ceab9af

"For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.

“It has been a bureaucratic nightmare,” said Settles, 65, a retired engineer. “The intent of this law is to suppress the vote. I feel like I am not wanted in this state.”"

How are Dem's not appealing to the working class?  

A lot of leftists hate on Democrats for not doing anything for black people, and only doing things for white Americans.  A lot of rightists hate on Democrats for not helping white Americans, and think they pander to black people.  They just can't win.  

Criminals aren't a big enough demographic to help them.  Your belief doesn't even make sense.  

The high estimates are actually closer to 20 million.