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Well if this cloud streaming takes off then I could agree that the less powerful specs of the Switch aren't exactly a hindrance, but I see that's not the point trying to be made here.



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  • Third party games =/= AAA third party games
  • Switch is relatively underpowered, and Nintendo won't make the kinds of concessions to AAA third parties that Sony and Microsoft will
  • Switch was designed to succeed in the absence of AAA third parties.
  • If you want AAA third party games, buy a PS4 or Xbox One; if you want Nintendo games, indies, and the kind of Japanese AA support that featured prominently on 3DS and Vita, buy a Switch.
That's really it. I think we can stop belaboring this conversation over a year after launch.


OneTime said:
Most game engines are good at dealing with a variety of different strength CPU and GPUs.

In any case, the “Nintendo needs ports” argument is a fallacy. People who want those kinds of games will buy a PS4. Nintendo need a different market. Look at XBOne: other than occasional games like Halo it hasn’t found its own thing to differentiate, so (probably randomly) PS4 won this round.

Not randomly. It's the brand name. Gamers assume Playstation has all the games and developers assume PS has all the gamers. So these assumptions bolster each other and become true.



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Mnementh said:
OneTime said:
Most game engines are good at dealing with a variety of different strength CPU and GPUs.

In any case, the “Nintendo needs ports” argument is a fallacy. People who want those kinds of games will buy a PS4. Nintendo need a different market. Look at XBOne: other than occasional games like Halo it hasn’t found its own thing to differentiate, so (probably randomly) PS4 won this round.

Not randomly. It's the brand name. Gamers assume Playstation has all the games and developers assume PS has all the gamers. So these assumptions bolster each other and become true.

This is largely true, but one does have to give it to Sony that at some point in the not so distant past, they did just about enough (more than Microsoft) to create this perception in people's minds.



I do agree that devs developing for Switch doesn't care too much about power, because if they did they wouldn't.
But Not all game will be easy to port (I would say most aren't) and that Power is important in that, because if there isn't enough to make a smooth port they won't do any.



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duduspace1 said:
Mnementh said:

Not randomly. It's the brand name. Gamers assume Playstation has all the games and developers assume PS has all the gamers. So these assumptions bolster each other and become true.

This is largely true, but one does have to give it to Sony that at some point in the not so distant past, they did just about enough (more than Microsoft) to create this perception in people's minds.

Sorry - by “at random” I meant “not due to technical specifications”.  The PS4 won for business reasons, not because of hardware differences wrt Xbox.  Though to be fair, 360 also had mindshare and MS blew it...



For anyone that says developers doesn't care about power....
That is the reason for change of generation about every generation.
When devs start hitting the ceiling of the HW on consoles and it's feasible to make a newer and stronger HW that is what MS and Sony do.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

RolStoppable said:
It's first and foremost about politics. AAA publishers want their business centered on PS and Xbox, so PC and Nintendo routinely get the short end of the stick. That's not going to change, so you are very wrong about Switch not missing out on many games.

The thing is that Switch doesn't need those games, so it's of little consequence that it won't get them.

Do you mean publishers heads just exclude Nintendo for no reasonable technical/business reason at all? Why?



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duduspace1 said:
Mnementh said:

Not randomly. It's the brand name. Gamers assume Playstation has all the games and developers assume PS has all the gamers. So these assumptions bolster each other and become true.

This is largely true, but one does have to give it to Sony that at some point in the not so distant past, they did just about enough (more than Microsoft) to create this perception in people's minds.

Yes, a good brand name is usually build over a long time with good investments and can be destroyed in a short time.



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10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

RolStoppable said:
It's first and foremost about politics. AAA publishers want their business centered on PS and Xbox, so PC and Nintendo routinely get the short end of the stick. That's not going to change, so you are very wrong about Switch not missing out on many games.

The thing is that Switch doesn't need those games, so it's of little consequence that it won't get them.

Yes, this!

But to elaborate some, big third parties don't want to compete with the little developers.  So, they would prefer Sony and Microsoft make high powered consoles to make development costs go up.  This drives the little guys away so that the big companies have less competition.  Then Nintendo comes along and makes a console where every developer can succeed.  Big companies don't want this at all, so they don't want to support Nintendo unless they absolutely have to in order to profit.

But the Switch is at an interesting point, because most Japanese companies are really more in the AA or less range, especially if you are measuring by development costs.  So most Japanese companies are going to heavily back the Switch.  This is doubly true because it is also the best selling console in Japan every week.  The Japanese developers are going to back the Switch in a big way.  Generation 9 is not going to be hardcore vs. casual, but instead East vs. West.  Although smaller Western devs are going to back the Switch too, so I really think Gen 9 is going to landslide toward the Switch.