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Kai_Mao on 27 July 2018
p0isonparadise said:
Kai_Mao said:

Well no console is perfect, but why call it lethal if the system is doing well?

Read the title of the thread. 

Guess I haven't been on this particular thread in a while. :P



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Mnementh on 27 July 2018
Mbolibombo said:
Thread still golden

Well, it is the usual: forum-dwellers don't understand why the WiiU failed in the first place.



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LipeJJ on 27 July 2018
Nem said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actualy Nintendo several times said they aiming Switch to be accept wide market (that why you have games like Zelda, Metroid, Doom...but also Kirby, Mario Party, Labo..), they even said they want Switch to be one device per person instead one device per house but also that with current price point that still isnt possible. Switch is not selling even now because its modern, it selling because great concept, games and marketing, and Switch will have all those things even after PS5/XB2 are out with difrence that Switch will than have much more affordable price point for mass market, probably around $200. Offcourse you are sure that Switch will pass 50m when at end of this year Switch will pass 30m and thats less than 2 years on market. :D With sales like this Switch will probably be around 50m with around 3 years on market.

It's at 18.2m here on VGC. You really think it will sell 12m till the end of the year? I think you are being a bit optimistic.

He's not being that optimistic to be honest. Last year, Switch shipped almost 8m from October to December with Odyssey and Xenoblade 2, while this year they'll have Pokémon and Smash. And since we still have 6 months worth of data to go this year, it wouldn't be surprising to see Switch selling 12m+. I mean, most here expect it to ship something around 10m on the holiday quarter alone. Nintendo themselves expect 20m for the FY which ends when the system turns 2, on March 2019.



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Eagle367 on 27 July 2018

So this thread has become popular just to laugh at this guy right? Like seriously, it's hard to think of how much more wrong he would be



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Skeeuk on 28 July 2018

hes not wrong on some fronts ie games



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megaman79 on 29 July 2018
Miyamotoo said:
Mnementh said:

Hmm, I actually think every successful console taps into multiple markets of gamers. Switch has the potential to tap into a few. But I don't know if Nintendo will do so. Also in the public image the Switch might look outdated as soon as PS5 and Scarlett release. That might cut the lifetime of Switch short. So I'm currently quite sure Switch will go past 50M devices, but still in the unclear if it goes on to 100M. We'll see.

Actualy Nintendo several times said they aiming Switch to be accept wide market (that why you have games like Zelda, Metroid, Doom...but also Kirby, Mario Party, Labo..), they even said they want Switch to be one device per person instead one device per house but also that with current price point that still isnt possible. Switch is not selling even now because its modern, it selling because great concept, games and marketing, and Switch will have all those things even after PS5/XB2 are out with difrence that Switch will than have much more affordable price point for mass market, probably around $200.

This. Go ask a Steam Developer if third parties sell on Switch. Oh. Thats right, I don't have to.

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/312419/Enter_the_Gungeon_sales_have_surpassed_all_expectations_on_Switch.php

Note - the dev himself in the comments.

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/68510/hollow-knight-passes-250000-sales-on-switch/

Maybe someone should make a thread asking if Hollow Knight Switch will outsell Hollow Knight Switch in less than year? (June 2019)

It is not Third Parties that need Switch, it's the opposite.

The distinction between independent developers and mainstream third party AAA is disappearing thanks to Steam and also Switch. The real irony is that Nintendo had faught harder than anyone to maintain this distinction over the decades.

If there is no greater compliment than copying Nintendo. With even Sony and Microsoft now talking of a disc-free future in the next gen maybe this proves Gabe and Nintendo were right.

I think what we're seeing now is the result of the pressure fuelled AAA game industry changing over the last 10 years.

When Kojima left Konami it was clear, when Konami themselves left traditional consoles it was clear, when EAs Digital revenue dwarfs their retail revenue, its clear.

Mobile gave Nintendo its biggest hit since Wii Sports or Wii Fit. It's clear.

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“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

Conina on 29 July 2018
megaman79 said:  

If there is no greater compliment than copying, then even Sony and Microsoft talking of a disc-free future in the next gen proves Nintendo was right.

Why? Switch has a mix of retail and digital games... just like PS4, PS3, Vita, PSP, Wii U, Wii, 3DS, Xbox One and Xbox 360.



megaman79 on 29 July 2018
Conina said:
megaman79 said:  

If there is no greater compliment than copying, then even Sony and Microsoft talking of a disc-free future in the next gen proves Nintendo was right.

Why? Switch has a mix of retail and digital games... just like PS4, PS3, Vita, PSP, Wii U, Wii, 3DS, Xbox One and Xbox 360.

Sorry, I continued editing. If you look at third party results on mobile it's clear. EA Digital growth is up 20% yoy.

Of course they have a retail presence. Nintendo out of all the main brands, obviously needs retail (Gamestop too), especially during the holidays, but the actual value of that retail content is changing as better (critically) and more popular games come out digitally.

You now see people asking why Independent games shouldn't be competing for GOTY Awards. Well, why should't they?



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

HintHRO on 29 July 2018

Nintendo is still making a lot of big mistakes with the Switch:
- After almost 2 years still no streaming apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime
- Still no Internet browser
- Games consists mostly of overpriced ports
- Disastrous voice chat applications
- No messaging system or activity hub
- No virtual console (no, overpriced Wii U ports don't count)
- Expensive as hell hardware/controllers

In many regards the Switch is even a downgrade compared to Wii U, but the portability somehow makes Nintendo immune to the negativity like they are some sort of Jesus.



Mbolibombo on 29 July 2018

HintHRO said:
Nintendo is still making a lot of big mistakes with the Switch:
- After almost 2 years still no streaming apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime  - it's not almost 2 years old, its not even a year and a half.
 - Still no Internet browser - and? Who uses the browser on a console in 2018?
 - Games consists mostly of overpriced ports - Well that's not true. You should probably take a look again.

- Disastrous voice chat applications - Definately agree

- Messaging system or activity hub - Yeah we should have one by now. Though there is a sort of "activity hub". But the Wii U / 3DS one was absolutely better.

- No virtual console (no, overpriced Wii U ports don't count) - no comment on this one. I dont miss it, some might, if the masses used it on previous systems.. I am sure it would exist.
 - Expensive as hell hardware/controllers - 299$ for a brand new system is not expensive as hell. Pro Controller probably a bit expensive. But not more than a 10 or so.. 
In many regards the Switch is even a downgrade compared to Wii U, but the portability somehow makes Nintendo immune to the negativity like they are some sort of Jesus.

Overall a funny hot take, but you did have some valid points in the messaging system and voice chat. It needs to be better for sure.