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RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
Siko1989 said:

i hope so. With the history of many good wii games, they only average about 80 on metacritic for some reason.

cause thats probably as good as they are, Ninty games not withstanding

True in most cases, but it makes it look like reviewers are applying a double standard for Wii games, because most games on the HD consoles aren't worth more than a score of 80 either.

I could see this but for the hell of it can you give me some examples of games YOU have found on HDs that did not deserve such high scores. Im talking games that you have personally sat down and played for at least an hour. Ill get you started COD MW2. 

@siko wanna give me an example of Wii games that you felt deserve a 90 average??? The only game i can think of is Goldeneye and as much as i love that i wouldnt give that a 90. Im talking non Ninty games



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Soriku said:

I hear GamePro doesn't like the Wii much yet they still gave the game an 87%. Pretty sure you're underestimating what the game will get. Persona 4 came out December 2008 on the PS2 yet it still is a 90+ game. Why? Because it's an excellent game. We've already known Xenoblade is the same from people who played it in Japan.

It might be my imagination, but I feel as though console games get penalized a lot by reviewers for not doing what the reviewer thinks the game should have done, moreso than what the game actually did wrong. Sometimes I read reviews and see negatives that don't necessarily detract from the quality of the game itself, like complaining about a lack of multiplayer options in a primarily single player game, or no riveting online features when it's not really needed. I can see this being the case with Xenoblade. Such trifling issues like no DLC quests can quite easily be used as an excuse to knock the game down a peg. Not saying that's guarunteed to happen, but you never know.

Then there're issues like the genre not being as popular as it once was in the past. I can't argue against why Persona 4 averages above 90% on aggregate sites, maybe it was just that good, but that was a while ago, and Xenoblade is a different beast. It will be directly compared to games like Final Fantasy XIII (which may very well benefit the game in some areas, but will no doubt hinder it in others), but I can also see it being more indirectly compared to some western RPG's like Dragon Age and Elder Scrolls, at least in terms of the size of the overworld and what is possible within the boundaries of the games world, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

I still stand by my original post, however, and fully expect reviewers to pick at the issues I brought up before, even though they are minor quibbles at best and don't really destroy the experience, the character models and voice acting especially I can see getting picked on as major flaws.

I'm totally open to the possibility that I'm underestimating the title itself, though. I do hope I'm wrong, the game deserves 90%+. Universal worldwide acclaim for Xenoblade may just be the confidence booster Nintendo needs to take Monolith's projects a bit more seriously.



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Soriku said:
Boutros said:
Soriku said:
Antabus said:
It will be lucky to get over 80.


lol. Well of course you'd say that when you know absolutely nothing about the game. You know the game is the highest rated RPG this gen on Japan's biggest user review site right with a 90% right?

http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=422089

Riiiight and FFXIII gets a 60 and Oblivion gets a 60 and Fallout 3 a 56...Even The Last Story is at 58 (behind Arc Rise Fantasia and Opoona LOL). And I could go on and on.

Even Famitsu is more reliable than this website.

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Uhh...what are you talking about? Fallout 3 has an 82, Obvlivion has a 79. Those are right there in the link I provided! What crazy numbers are you looking at? No, really, how did you get these numbers? Shows that you didn't read. Why don't you read duckroll's explanation on the site to know why it's reliable?

For FF XIII we know the game has very mixed impressions WW, not just in Japan. Even in Amazon Japan the game has 3 stars. How strange that it's exactly the same as this site...and Amazon isn't even is a moderated as this one. Whether you really like FF XIII or not doesn't change the fact that the game received mixed impressions overall.

And I don't see what's so strange about Arc Rise Fantasia being higher than TLS. TLS has some has some very mixed impressions as well if you read some reviews. And the only reasons ARF is bashed is because of the voice acting which isn't a problem in Japan. Other than that, it's a very good game. Remember that review I wrote a while back? Opoona is the only strange one (I guess people just liked it more than we think).

And don't you think Xenoblade's score on that site seems awfully similar to the reviews thus far? And like Rol said, German/Austrian reviewers aren't the most favorable people, and a site that doesn't like the Wii like GamePro STILL gave the game an 87% which is very good.

http://www.psmk2.net/title.php?title=575

http://www.psmk2.net/title.php?title=517

I hadn't seen the original release but why are these so low still? I think that website is filled with trolls.

And those were just a couple of examples. I could give you more but I fear you're going to find a clever explanation for all of them O_o

 

Also the sole reason why FFXIII is that low is simply because it went to the 360. Famitsu readers voted FFXIII the best game of all time so spare me the mixed impressions stuff. It wasn't the same in Japan.

 

But you are right the website gives us a good indication of Xenoblade's quality but it is not to be taken too seriously as it seems like some games are inflated for no reason and some other are overly underrated.



Soriku said:

Assuming you don't count Demon's Souls (which ranges from 89-90, but good enough) and Persona 4 (9-9.2), it'd be the first. If you do, one of the only rare ones to possibly hit 90+.

So much is wrong with that.

Demon's Souls Metacritic is 89/100

Persona 4 is last gen

Other JRPG's get 9/10 scores commonly, just not with metascore. Metascore is too ambiguous because one small website has the power of a big one, and JRPG's often get mixed reviews, at least those which are heavily plot driven, or introduce new concepts in gameplay.

Anyway to answer your question, if Dragon Quest IX is 87/100, Valkyria Chronicles is 86/100, Tales of Vesperia is 79/100, Lost Odyssey is 78/100, and Final Fantasy XIII is 76/100, then no way will XenoBlade get 90/100 or greater.

Someone will find a "flaw", which may not even be a flaw to begin with (like how Lost Odyssey gameplay is too out-dated, but it was suppose to be a turn based RPG to begin with), and heavily deduct points off the score.

The only Japanese games that get high scores now days are those that use sex to sell, or a just tripy as heck (Bayonetta, Catherine, Persona, Vanquish, etc). These games get great reviews because they are so drastically different from the normal, and they are still fun new experiences. Traditional JRPG's are not well reviewed anymore because people have moved on, and this is sad .



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It's a game that has a bias within a bias within a bias against it, it has no chance. It's pretty much a miracle that Valkyria Chronicles was rated as high as it was, the same applies to Demon's Souls. Games like Nier, Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia did not deserve to be placed in the 70's, but all of them were docked because they didn't follow the set guidelines of Western games (like having a gun or a dodgy moral system).

Xenoblade will get an 80 at the most, it will be docked down for silly reasons that are usually overlooked in other games and it will be criticized more harshly for those reasons.



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Xenoblade has it's consideration in gameplay and design not in the graphics, because if here we're saying that a review for a Wii game must be compared to the HD we're really off the way.

I think it will get a 90 average for this 3 reasons: 1) It's a JRPG with new gameplay and the possibility to pause the battle and do a strategy, and that's a thing that i (and the rest of west market) like; 2) Because of 100+ hours of gameplay with massive exploration, a thing that i didn't see in about 3-4 years by now; 3) Because it's supposed to be having a great story, and this is the prequel of all the Xenosagas.



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I really don't understand people who think Xenoblade will get all high scores - in the understanding it actually would deserve it. I haven't played it yet.
It's clear that being a wii-game alone loses you points on a not so small number of reviews.



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No, and history should tell you the first set of reviews don't indicate much, wait for the 4/10 from GIantBOmb and Destructoid and places like that.



 

Wagram said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:
of course ... its Mr Takahashi, when no ine screws him hes a miracle worker. People who played it call it the next Xenogears. Im proud its gonna him to obtain the milestone because he deserves it more than anybody else.

That's anything BUT good, you know...

And nah... it'll go down. It always does, sadly.



Xen we have been friends for awhile and have similar taste... but I wont go easy on you if this post is insinuating XENOGEARS is a bad game.. please clearer.

Haha, sure.

I've actually given it a full review if you're interested:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=124980

Hopefully it's the next Xenosaga because I prefer those to Xenogears. :P

I'll get back to you once I've finished them *shame*



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