I will respectfully disagree

no FF main series games are "bad"

imo they are al AAA (90+ ratings wise) games & deserve to be that high

FF12 was a notch lower than the rest for me though

That's what the anti-game community for FFXII would have you believe, however, far more people(including critics and myself) loved that game, rather than hated it, they just aren't as vocal and insistant. Saying something a million times doesn't make it true, but it can certainly make it popular amongst the uninitiated.

FFXII was a much deeper and more core game than any other in the series, and it turned a lot of people off.

It recieves no more hate than VIII did, in the months and years after its release. Now VIII is a classic and remembered as one of the best by a large number of folks on this forum.

I agree with what you pointed out. For example, as an owner of GTA4 and after playing through it and finishing it, I was not particulary fond of the game, since as a GTA fan from the beginning, I felt that it was a bit on the lacking side. Yet, when it came to rating it on the rating game that it's going on here, I rated it fairly because even though in my opinion it isn't as good as the past games, it still achieves excellency in some areas and thus has to be acknowledged by it.

If you look into that thread, you'll see most people bashing the game just because they could, not even worrying about giving a fair treatment and judgment to it.

I hate that kind of mentality, because it's slowly ruining what should be an open minded community, the gaming community. We have enough hate from the outside towards games, and now we even have gamers feuding against gamers? That's insanely ridiculous.

Those anti-game communities are even worse, they feel like only their opinion is the one entitled to being the truth, and thus everyone who thinks outside their patterns is cast aside and mocked.
One of those communities whom I particulary dislike is the anti-FFXII community. If you look at the majority of their complains, you'll see that those people didn't even put an effort to try to comprehend the game and to see all that it could offer. Most will complain "The game is so easy, it plays itself", yet when I tell them that you could turn Gambits off and play all by yourself, they strangely go into silence. Other complain is "The story is too complex, it sucks" I mean...did they want a kiddy grade story? FFXII story is amongst the best in the series, along side FFIV and FFVI.

Alas, what I think will hurt FFXIII most is the fact that it went multiplatform, as you pointed out. I don't know why people hang on so much onto the necessity that games being released only in the console of their choice. I understand gamers who can only afford one console, wanting the games to be released on their console as well, but to go as far as wanting the games to be released ONLY on their console isn't even childish, is worse than that.

This "anti-game community" has nothing to do with it. I just really disliked FF12. The story, characters and gameplay were all extremely boring to me. That is just my opinion though.

@ Darth

All the FF games I've played (FF4, FF6, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10, FF12) ranged from good to amazing IMO (FF12 being the exception). I hope FF13 will be the best out of these FF games.

It damn well better be true. Even if Famitsu is not credible (and they aren't), that already means that this game is something extraordinary.

But hey, it's the team that made FFX and Masashi Hamazu. Game of the Generation guaranteed.

I don't care if the game is fantastic. That's no reason to make a stupid ploy like this. If it's fantastic, give it 4 10s. If this is true I'm going to be seriously pissed off.

As I pointed out, you disliked the game, don't see what the big deal is about the games(with reviewers and people like myself who enjoyed it) and are relatively vocal about your dislike of it.

You misunderstand me. Not everyone in an anti-game community is a raving nar-do-well intent on unfair treatment of the game. Most are people who played, but just didn't like the game, because perhaps, it wasn't aimed at their tastes(see GTAIV), and don't miss an opporunity to mention how much "it sucked," because that really is their opinion.

I'm not saying you have a melevolant intent concerning the game, I'm saying that you actually didn't like it, and thus, say it is a bad game on occasion, when that might not necessarily be the case. Not all games that you dislike have to be "bad." People often fail to realize that not all great games are meant to appeal to them. RTS games, I hate em, they aren't "bad."

However, the FF series is very popular, and it reinvents itself, and who it appeals to, every different game. There were disenfranchised fans, just like there were with VIII, IX, X, and IX. They say the game "sucked," when in reality it didn't appeal to them.

For instance, I hated LBP. If I said it "sucked" I'd be ignorant. It just didn't appeal to me. If there were a million people who it didn't appeal to, about 90 percent of them would be ignorant of the intracasies between opinion and quality, and how to accurately express them. Games that you hate aren't necessarily bad. They just aren't for you. FFXII was the most niche FF I've played, as far as its gameplay, and it certainly wasn't story drive. Yes, I see how a large number of people hated it, but those people will never see why I loved it, because it takes about 108 hours to explain.

No, the game wasn't terrible. It just wasn't for you, and you hated it. Doesn't mean it sucked.

Well, for one thing, Famitsu is just giving into the hype (see my above statement), and SC2 has more hype than FFXIII will ever have.  Ergo, it deserves a higher score - just for fan service.  For another, we have first hand reports of people who have played it - who are (sorry) just as valid as "professional reviewers" who would give a game a 52 out of 40.  52 out of 40!  In the words of the late great George Carlin, "DOESN'T THIS VIOLATE SOME FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF PHYSICS?"* 

BASED ON WHAT IS KNOWN, if FFXIII deserves 52 then SC2 deserves 80.  My point stands.  Frankly, I don't think ANY game should get perfect scores.  This is merely extrapolation from an already flawed system.

FFXIII will be good, but is it worth selling out your journalistic integrity for?  I think not.  Furthermore, your tone is angry, condescending and you need to chill out.

For the record, I am not bitter about FFXIII going multiplat, I am happy about it.  Also for the record, I am not excited about FFXIII because I grow tired of the battle systems.  Real-time or pseudo real time (Dragon Age) is my preferred style.  I AM excited for Versus, but I assure you it has NOTHING to do with the fact that it is PS3 exclusive.

I don't even own a 360, but I defend it  and MS against unwarrented attacks on this site.

Off Topic - YAY, different colors for responses.  Great job VGC web team.

Have a very plesant day.

*  Or at least mathematics  

EDITED FOR IMPROPER VOWEL USAGE.

Seriously pissed off, really? Don't you have anything better to do?

I'm gonna laugh and then go pre-order the special edition of the game.

FF is much bigger as a whole