Then how come most 3rd party games look worse on the PS3?

Are developers to blame?

Or Sony?

When you say "had" are you talking about the time before Killzone 2?

What about Forza 3? Won't that game raise the console graphics bar when it's released before Uncharted 2, at least for a time?

What multiplatform developers have succeeded on the PS3 in terms of graphical superiority? Any?

I posted it here because it's relevant to the question in the subject line, i.e. - why does the OP keep hearing that the 360 can't do graphics like the PS3 if it is capable of what is demonstrated by CryEngine 3.  I would rather just give a summary of why the OP keeps hearing that the 360 can't handle PS3 graphics instead of trying to argue why it is/isn't true.

In other words, I think my post gets to the heart of the matter, and more importantly, I hope it helps educate neutral readers so they won't buy into all the FUD that a handful of PS3 die-hards keep spreading.  On the other side, I do try and counteract rediculous PS3 is doomed, etc. posts when I can.

A bit off topic, but I do wish people would stop saying this. Killzone 2 took 3.5 years to make, only 2 of which were full production, and cost a lot less than many other AAA titles this gen. This is hardly 'vastly expensive and time consuming' - it's about average for an AAA game.

Source: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/02/killzone-2-live-qa-2-with-guerrilla-games/

You mean like they do, nearly everytime they release a multiplat that is superior on the Xbox 360? Oh, I can imagine 3rd parties taking the risk to have a blatantly superior version. Look at the DLC for AA, or look at every other multiplat on the PS3.

I asked if any multiplatform games had seen significant graphical superiority because of the PS3.

Certainly they have because of the PC and 360. That is clear.

Your original post implied that the 360 "had" graphics on par with the PS3, but now 3rd parties are starting to use teh cell, and 3rd party games will start to look better on the PS3.

Frankly, I haven't seen that happening. Have you? Or are you predicting the future? I think your original implication was off base, and if you want to defend something, then tell me how, exactly, you believe that multiplats, which almost always look better on the 360, are also being gimped by the 360? You said "beginning to use." ....in what game?

I mean, it's a little silly to assume that with every multiplat that is superior on the 360, any of the very few multiplats that are equal to the 360 version were gimped because of the 360. What a coincidence.

In reality, there have probably been many, many more games gimped ON THE 360, due to the difficulty of development on the PS3, than vice versa. That's using your very own logic, isn't it? Scrutinize me with your red writing of death.

Finally, Forza 3 look amazing. The PS3 probably has more graphical potential than the 360, but the difference is much slighter than originally assumed. BR is a far larger boon to PS3 superiority than is graphical capabilities.

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I agree with everything you say except the last part. The 360 has many games that had the same budget or higher then KZ2... and at least a couple of others are comming ( SC:C, Alan Wake to name 2 ).

I don't think that any game was as developmentally graphically focused as was KZ2, even Crysis, which had better graphics, but wasn't as singlemindedly focused on them as was Sony.

Sony needed a KZ2. They needed a game they could point to, to prove the PS3's graphical superiority, so they focused all their time and money into creating that game.

I don't think MS has ever had a game with the soul intent being to prove how good the graphics could get.

That's my opinion.

I made a mistake even posting in those threads, but I never thought that they would suck me back in time and again with even greater fanboy atrocities. Now I'm ashamed for having fought the good fight in them. :(

im sorry but while most 3rd party gmaes do look better on xbox  you cant keep saying xbox has better graphics because blah blah blah is coming out,say some games that actually ARE out,because good looking games are coming out on ps3 as well.xbox has a larger userbase and so it would be resonable to concentrate on that format more.btw in cod4 the developer guy actually said "you can see we put our best people on ps3,it shows"

I think all this is bullshit.The 360 suffers the same prob as my favorite console of all time,the dreamcast.The developers dont want to invest a larger amount on it to create engines from scratch to take advantage of the console 100%.Another thing its that they hide behind its easy to program for so they dont want to spend years developing a AAA game and rush it.

And finally like the dreamcast they dont put in the artistic side of i and rely on the technical side of it while lets ps2/ps3 they struggle day and night just to make it more visually pleasing(artistically,which is what many people confuse for technical prowess.).