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goddog on 18 January 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
goddog said:
SamuelRSmith said:
goddog said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Good. They should tackle Apple next about abusing their power with iPods to push iTunes.

 

you know there are other mp3 players out there. and if you reallly really dont like itunes there are 3rd party products, but getting mad at apple for ipod/itunes is like getting mad at apple for mac/osx   for them its one product.

 

on top of that you dont have to use the itunes store, itues gladly takes your cds, or other nonportected files like the ones for amazon. and if you want to strip an itunes songs drm all you have to do is burn it to a cd  (playlists are limited to 3 burns, but each track has no limit)

 

also apple/itunes has no where near the strangle hold on mp3 player, music sales, music jukebox programs, that  MS had/has on the browser market.

 

 Just like how people could just buy another Operating System? It's pretty much the exact same thing, lol.

I guess you missed i listed the view of the device/os in there.

I also put in there apple has nowhere near the control that MS does/did in its os, and web-browsers and went on to describe the differences. if your not going to post a thought out reply, with points in it, why even do so?

 

 

 

 I was under the impression that Apple has around 75% of the marketshare for iPods... that's way less than what Microsoft has with IE.

I post crap because I like to see my post count go up, it's my little e-penis (tbh, I just skimmed your post and read "there are other mp3 players out there", to which I responded "they're are other OS' out there - as it's a parallel of what happened with Microsoft and what this thread was originally about).

 

well we are in agrement about market share VS ontrol of market then.  true, I could have made that line better, for the life of me since that ruling i can not understand why MS does not bundle opera with its OS its not like people will know what opera is and use it, and they could claim a good faith effort... heck even bundle the demo version of opera

I comment to get into a god discussion with someone over a topic, I see and guess understand why you comment and thank you for your bluntness on the topic of why you posted like that. I too occasionally like to dick around (the patcher articles are prime for that)



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goddog on 18 January 2009

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selnor on 18 January 2009
goddog said:
selnor said:
whatever said:
A lot of ignorance being thrown around in this thread. M$ is reaping what it sowed.
They deserve every fine they get. At least the EU has some balls unlike the current US administration that is bought and paid for.

 

 So if IE wasnt free with Windows how would you get the alternatives? I have never seen Firefox in any PC's shops round my way. So how would you download them?

So M$ cant sell their own product and give away free another product?

I guess all those companies who have ever done Buy one Get One Free are guilty of whatever you say.

 

netscape used to be bundled with MS OSs, they could just bundle, every mac comes with safari and opera, used to come with safari, opera and IE.

they could bundle opera or safari with xp/vista/7

They could, but then Mac could still bundle IE.

From a business position if M$ were to include Safari or Opera, they would have every right to charge those companies to do so. At least some of the profit for every version. Its swings and roundabouts. I still put forward to you. EU is complaining about a free product that M$ provide, with their own product. I saw Hob Nob biscuits for Buy one get one free yesterday. I hope the EU sue Mcvities to.

 



Snake on 18 January 2009
CMoney said:
kowenicki said:
Well all I can say is that europe has needed saving from itself twice in the last 100 years... and it was the british and the US that saved it.

To know the future... know your history.

"Europe" is a strange beast these days... Turkey?... Europe?... really? I dont think so.

 

 I totally agree!!

People forget history so fast.  People forget the sacrifice Brits, Canadians and Americans gave to end 2 world wars and the cold war.  Very sad indeed.  Continental Europe would either be speaking German or Russian if not for America, Britain and Canada etc.

The fact that people don't learn from history is the greatest lesson history has to teach.

 

 

actually, brithishs were fighitng only in northern france and in Holland and Belgium. Russians liberated the whole eastern Europe and took over the Berlin. And whats so baad abour Russia? Serbs saved American pilots who were shoot down by Germans. And i thought Europe DISCOVERD America.

 

And you guys don't need to start to hate one continent just because it has some problems with your beloved company.



tombi123 on 18 January 2009
kowenicki said:
tombi123 said:
kowenicki said:
@ tombi... you know this for a fact do you? dont use words like definitley when it is your opinion.

we already are closer to the US than europe in so many ways. Sick of students (particularly from the south) talking politics.....

 

 Bolded: Bigot, or are you being sarcastic? It seems like genuine blind hate for southerners...

Are you trying to belittle me because I go to University? I'm sorry I have an interest in learning AND a political opinion. Maybe you would like to raise the voting age to 40+?

More than 50% of people from the UK, when asked, are pro EU.

That question was a loaded one... I too am in favour of a common market policy...

Are you in favour of a single currency, monetary policy and constitution?  if so... then you are in favour of a single country called europe. 

Im not belittling the fact you go to university.... but the fact is your opinions in 10 years time will be different than they are now.

Id only raise the voting age to 21 actually..

I dont have a hatred for southerners... it was a joke... but they are all soft shandy drinkers

 

The majority of the UK is pro EU. That is just a simple fact. I am mostly pro EU, although they make some stupid decisions, (Straight Bananas, the OP). Am I in favour of the Euro? To be honest I am not bothered. I am agnostic on this issue.

I would actually lower to voting age to 16 but thats a completely different topic.

By the way, I could drink your sorry ass under the table

 



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SamuelRSmith on 18 January 2009
goddog said:
SamuelRSmith said:
goddog said:
SamuelRSmith said:
goddog said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Good. They should tackle Apple next about abusing their power with iPods to push iTunes.

 

you know there are other mp3 players out there. and if you reallly really dont like itunes there are 3rd party products, but getting mad at apple for ipod/itunes is like getting mad at apple for mac/osx   for them its one product.

 

on top of that you dont have to use the itunes store, itues gladly takes your cds, or other nonportected files like the ones for amazon. and if you want to strip an itunes songs drm all you have to do is burn it to a cd  (playlists are limited to 3 burns, but each track has no limit)

 

also apple/itunes has no where near the strangle hold on mp3 player, music sales, music jukebox programs, that  MS had/has on the browser market.

 

 Just like how people could just buy another Operating System? It's pretty much the exact same thing, lol.

I guess you missed i listed the view of the device/os in there.

I also put in there apple has nowhere near the control that MS does/did in its os, and web-browsers and went on to describe the differences. if your not going to post a thought out reply, with points in it, why even do so?

 

 

 

 I was under the impression that Apple has around 75% of the marketshare for iPods... that's way less than what Microsoft has with IE.

I post crap because I like to see my post count go up, it's my little e-penis (tbh, I just skimmed your post and read "there are other mp3 players out there", to which I responded "they're are other OS' out there - as it's a parallel of what happened with Microsoft and what this thread was originally about).

 

well we are in agrement about market share VS ontrol of market then.  true, I could have made that line better, for the life of me since that ruling i can not understand why MS does not bundle opera with its OS its not like people will know what opera is and use it, and they could claim a good faith effort... heck even bundle the demo version of opera

I comment to get into a god discussion with someone over a topic, I see and guess understand why you comment and thank you for your bluntness on the topic of why you posted like that. I too occasionally like to dick around (the patcher articles are prime for that)

 

 Apple gets Sam's approval for bundling Opera. I believe that Microsoft should just do that, bundle one or two browsers. They probably won't, as it probably goes against corporate agenda, it'd keep the Competition Commission happy, though.



JaggedSac on 18 January 2009
selnor said:

They could, but then Mac could still bundle IE.

From a business position if M$ were to include Safari or Opera, they would have every right to charge those companies to do so. At least some of the profit for every version. Its swings and roundabouts. I still put forward to you. EU is complaining about a free product that M$ provide, with their own product. I saw Hob Nob biscuits for Buy one get one free yesterday. I hope the EU sue Mcvities to.

 

LOL.  WTF is a Hob Nob biscuit?

 



SamuelRSmith on 18 January 2009
tombi123 said:
kowenicki said:
tombi123 said:
kowenicki said:
@ tombi... you know this for a fact do you? dont use words like definitley when it is your opinion.

we already are closer to the US than europe in so many ways. Sick of students (particularly from the south) talking politics.....

 

 Bolded: Bigot, or are you being sarcastic? It seems like genuine blind hate for southerners...

Are you trying to belittle me because I go to University? I'm sorry I have an interest in learning AND a political opinion. Maybe you would like to raise the voting age to 40+?

More than 50% of people from the UK, when asked, are pro EU.

That question was a loaded one... I too am in favour of a common market policy...

Are you in favour of a single currency, monetary policy and constitution?  if so... then you are in favour of a single country called europe.

Im not belittling the fact you go to university.... but the fact is your opinions in 10 years time will be different than they are now.

Id only raise the voting age to 21 actually..

I dont have a hatred for southerners... it was a joke... but they are all soft shandy drinkers

 

The majority of the UK is pro EU. That is just a simple fact. I am mostly pro EU, although they make some stupid decisions, (Straight Bananas, the OP). Am I in favour of the Euro? To be honest I am not bothered. I am agnostic on this issue.

I would actually lower to voting age to 16 but thats a completely different topic.

By the way, I could drink your ass under the table

 

 

 Me too, I'd tackle the ignorance of youth with a decent education system. But... I'm not gonna write my manifesto here. That, too, is for another day.



selnor on 18 January 2009
SamuelRSmith said:
selnor said:
SamuelRSmith said:
selnor said:
SamuelRSmith said:
kowenicki said:
I urge you non-europeans to take the test I posted above and the see why the Brits (and particularly the English) are roundly pissed off with then European gravy train.

 

 Not all British/English people are anti-EU; just the ignorant ones.

 

 Um, all I can say is sod off. I'm English and entirely against the EU. I absolutely want no part of the EU. There are masses of reasons, but to give you an idea the EU police could take control of the country and there would be nothing the English could. Except we bloody would, If I had to defend my home as an English person for my English way of life I would do it to the death. 90% of English people feel that way.

Ignorance is not looking into the treaty and thinking everything is rosey with it. Look again. I very much want UK to stay clear of EU.

 

 90% of English people feel this way? Then why did 2.2% of the electorate vote for UKIP in the last election? They didn't win a single seat. (The BNP won even fewer votes... only 0.7% of the electorate).

It seems very apparant, to me, that the majority of Brits wish to remain in the EU. And so what if they do, or don't? Most don't have a clue what EU membership entails.

LOL BNP is long known as being highly racist in the past. BNP are a massively failiure political party. I would never vote for them. Tell me why then when Mr faggot Gordon Brown said he would not let the public vote on whether they sign the treaty did the public go absolutely insane. Every single paper we have here was against and for good reason. I'll list afew

EU will be able to sign new treaties with other countries on UK behalf without consulting.

EU courts can pass new laws for UK without consulting.

If needs arise EU police can come in and run the bloody country.

I'm sorry but you obviously live in a tiny pocket somewhere in the UK that missed the national uproar over Gordon Brown and the EU treaty.

Mr Cameron has promised us a vote and on this alone I will voter for him. EU talk about M$ monopoly. When EU is a monopoly on the most horrible scale. It's basically conforming Europe to one way eventually, it's World War conformity on the sly. The same thing just without the war.

 

 

 Because the public would be outraged by it, but that doesn't mean that the entire country is anti-EU, it's just that they viewed this as a direct attack on the sovereignty of Parliament, which it was. I didn't want the proposal to go through, does that make me anti-EU? No.

I certainly am against European Union. Europe as individual countries I love our brothers to bits. It's the Union itself that I detest with every last bone. EU is essentially a wolf in sheeps clothing. They are Hitler in a white robe. It's power hunger on the sly like I said. You mark my words.

 



goddog on 18 January 2009
selnor said:
goddog said:
selnor said:
whatever said:
A lot of ignorance being thrown around in this thread. M$ is reaping what it sowed.
They deserve every fine they get. At least the EU has some balls unlike the current US administration that is bought and paid for.

 

 So if IE wasnt free with Windows how would you get the alternatives? I have never seen Firefox in any PC's shops round my way. So how would you download them?

So M$ cant sell their own product and give away free another product?

I guess all those companies who have ever done Buy one Get One Free are guilty of whatever you say.

 

netscape used to be bundled with MS OSs, they could just bundle, every mac comes with safari and opera, used to come with safari, opera and IE.

they could bundle opera or safari with xp/vista/7

They could, but then Mac could still bundle IE.

From a business position if M$ were to include Safari or Opera, they would have every right to charge those companies to do so. At least some of the profit for every version. Its swings and roundabouts. I still put forward to you. EU is complaining about a free product that M$ provide, with their own product. I saw Hob Nob biscuits for Buy one get one free yesterday. I hope the EU sue Mcvities to.

 

the only reason the mac dose not bundle IE is MS stopped making it at version 5.2, so you can get it but why in hell would you want to use IE 5.2.

And look at the bundling more as a way to avoid lawsuits then to make money.  I know its a round about opera actually charges to put there os onyour os so that might be why ms does not use them (apple still does though hidden away in the apps folder i guess to mitigate lawsuites i cant think of why otherwise). 

 



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