I don't think I did say that the EU wasn't power hungry. I personally believe that some of the big highups in the EU do want the EU to essentially become an US of E. Which I happen to be against. The furthest I want to go is have the Euro EU wide, and for there to be an EU army (nations from within the EU should still be allowed to have an armed forces, but they won't need them, they could also make some ex-bloc members feel a little bit more secure, and it would really be beneficial to military technological development).

And I'm not sure whether it will go further than that, I mean, sure there may be power hungry people in there. But members might threaten to leave the union if they feel that new legislation and regulation wouldn't be in the best interest of their people. But, I don't think it will ever get that far. It might, I've been wrong before, but I doubt it.

If the whole EU thing doesn't work out, why don't the U.K just GTFO of the E.U? And if the U.K wants to act like some seperate party which goes against the system why don't they tell the U.K to join or GTFO?

I don't understand why the U.K gets this special priveledge to be a part of the E.U and yet not.

Probably..

12 time zones will do that to ya!

Only a vgc thread starting with EU legislation against M$ could conclude with a consensus on the goodness of hob nobs lol.

The thread seems to have split into many mini threads but i'll give it a go:

IE: If no IE exclusive then all the other browsers would have to be peddled elsewhere, either through Windows install or in the shops, either way it will cost money and the consumer will probably be the one losing out in the end, really speaking, they wouldnt be bothered about M$ if they werent good at selling products, so really they are just being fined for being successful.

EU: If there was anything worth having in the treaty it would have been an easy sell to people a long time ago, the ireland fiasco has already proven to us that we will only be allowed a referendum as long as we vote 'yes', EU democracy at it's best! They can stick it right up their arse, go back to 1984 where they belong. And the next time you meet someone is pro-eu, just ask them whether or not their parents are long time labour supporters, that will answer everything you need to know about their 'well thought out political belief system'.

Hob Nobs: yum.

^My family tend to vote Conservative party. They were, of course, the party that brought us into the EU. And it was Labour who held a referendum about leaving the EU some years later.

I'm not a Tory, either, and political debates can get heated when my grandparents come over.

If people want a different browser, they will install a different browser. Are they trying to say they don't think Europeans are capable of doing this? How is the competition being harmed if their software is not being hindered in anyway. Perhaps what many say is true; what the EU is really after is MS's money. They are as bad as OPEC.

Your average internet user isn't going to know how to use FTP, I've never seen a CD distribution of a browser. Getting it from another computer would be good, but you'd be suprised how many people don't know how to transfer files between computers easily... even with usb memory sticks so wildly avaliable. Pre installed would be good, manufacturers should let you choose, as long as they don't charge for the free browsers..

2 year of a lot of tourism enterprises make more money than 4 year of a single company? Not wrong, more worrying that a single company earns 1/2 of a whole important section of economy of entire countries. Even more worrying is that it has a monopoly and its OS is preinstalled on almost 90% of PC's sold. About Russia, well, that's worrying too, but tourism isn't, not even its biggest companies are somehow close to having a monopoly.

Ah, 70's and 80's BBC, sorely missed. Never again will a public TV raise to such heights.