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Paul said:
dolemit3 said:
Paul said:
Maybe they should sell it for $100 and include a new function that makes you pizza while you play.

I would buy 4.

Why 4? So you can open a pizza hut?

 

 

 I have a family to feed during these uncertain economic times.

 

ROFL!

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EvilChronos said:

This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. Heres hoping for next year...

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

Those 3 very simple and not to god awfully expensive things would certainly catapult sony into 1st place within a year of these things being done/released. So the question is why doesnt sony just bite the bullet on this one and do it. They would certainly make up the money in the end plus some. They were so scared with the money they were loosing with the ps2 "for atleast the first 4 years" for the price they sold it at but they made it back in the end plus way, way more.

Sony plz figure it out before it is too late and u start loosing developers cause its just not worth it to publish on your system.

 

 

You think a fully backwards compatible system would have people shelling out $400 or heck even $300 for a system? Good call, here is a tip, dont go into Marketing for a career.

 

PS2 is making Sony money, why would they discontinue it?

 

Your logic is terrible.



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leo-j said:
azrm2k said:
Somehow I don't think certain people will stop once the PS3 fails to sell like hotcakes laced with crack at $299. They'll just go to $199 and then $99. This is going to be one long generation....

 

 So you dont think the ps3 will sell at 299?

Considering it would probably be 2010* before it gets down to $299 it would have a nice boost but not a crazy long term effect with both the 360 and Wii still considerably cheaper.  And the added value of BR keeps diminishing as standalone prices drop.  They're already below $200 at certain places this year.  By late 2009 we'll definitely have BR players at $99 price points.

*They can't do a $100 price drop next year without massive losses that would enrage shareholders and threaten to sink the games division once and for all.

That's just crazy to comprehend isn't it?  The 360 core launched at $300 and the Wii launched at $250.  We're debating if the PS3 could get down to $300 3-4 years after launch!

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EDIT: LOL I just saw in the end of december 09 thread you theorized a possible "$100 or more" price cut in 09.  If Sony decided to cut the price more than a $100 they wouldn't just be selling the PS3 they'd be looking to sell their company off to anybody willing to buy.



1. They'll bring back the backwards compatibility when they stop the production of the PS2 sinse they need the PS2 right now to keep them from going bankrupted.

2. And of course everyone knows a price cut is impossible at the moment, why lose more money on a console that ure losing money on just so that you'll make the consumer's happy that they don't have to pay so much for it, even though you'll be losing even MORE money on that console sinse it'll be selling more at a even greater loss, it's just stupid. Sony's doing the right thing, they haven't become this huge company out of luck.

3. The PS2 may be competing with the PS3, but like I said it's making Sony money right now so there not going to get rid of it anytime soon.

 



I figured out how Sony can win this generation

This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. Heres hoping for next year...

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

Those 3 very simple and not to god awfully expensive things would certainly catapult sony into 1st place within a year of these things being done/released. So the question is why doesnt sony just bite the bullet on this one and do it. They would certainly make up the money in the end plus some. They were so scared with the money they were loosing with the ps2 "for atleast the first 4 years" for the price they sold it at but they made it back in the end plus way, way more.

Sony plz figure it out before it is too late and u start loosing developers cause its just not worth it to publish on your system.

It makes perfect sense.

A couple of simple changes and suddenly this thread doesn't look as bad anymore.



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Dgc1808 said:
EvilChronos said:


Wasn't losing as much money as they were at the PS3's launch....

 

Damn straight.... The PS2 lost SMALL amounts of money on HARDWARE ONLY for about 3 years. Which is why the PS division of Sony only lost money in the first year of PS2 (most of which was R&D costs of the console lumped into it's launch quarter)

The PS3 has lost immense amounts of money, and hardware wise is still losing big numbers, also without the software profits to back it up..... the only reason Sony isn't still losing $1billion per year is because the PS2 and PSP are holding them up.

 



leo-j said:
But the ps2 launched at $299

 

Yes,  I am not denying that.  The difference here is when launching, the PS2 sold at $299 to the "enthusiasts".

When the PS3 hits $299, they are looking well beyond the 2-4 year already satisfied "enthusiasts".  They are hoping a more general audience will buy it. 

 

The number "299" may be the same, but the point in both machines marketing is vastly different.

(I hope I made sense there.)



@ montrealsoon

makes perfect sense, and I agree 100%



TWRoO said:
Dgc1808 said:
EvilChronos said:


Wasn't losing as much money as they were at the PS3's launch....

 

Damn straight.... The PS2 lost SMALL amounts of money on HARDWARE ONLY for about 3 years. Which is why the PS division of Sony only lost money in the first year of PS2 (most of which was R&D costs of the console lumped into it's launch quarter)

The PS3 has lost immense amounts of money, and hardware wise is still losing big numbers, also without the software profits to back it up..... the only reason Sony isn't still losing $1billion per year is because the PS2 and PSP are holding them up.

 

 

Also something that I forgot to post about. Not only was PS2 development cheaper, but sales were higher.

 



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montrealsoon said:
leo-j said:
azrm2k said:
Somehow I don't think certain people will stop once the PS3 fails to sell like hotcakes laced with crack at $299. They'll just go to $199 and then $99. This is going to be one long generation....

 

 So you dont think the ps3 will sell at 299?

 

$299 is still expensive for a console.

One would have to believe that there are tons of people just waiting for the PS3 to drop in price and then they would buy it.

Sales data shows that there are tons of consoles being sold, just not PS3's.  I really believe the lions share of the traditional PS2 market has moved on.

No it hasn't. The previous gen sold some 170 million consoles. We currently are around 80 million.

However I think most core gamers will have moved on. People that buy a PS2 now won't buy a current gen machine for quite some time. The more casual gamer will decide much later in life. This also disproportionally benefits the market leader since it will have most exposure (friends who have it etc.). The Wii will benefit extra because the grouo that buys consoles later in life is one that is very likely to not care about graphics and does care about things like Wii Sports.