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crumas2 on 14 December 2008

You might want to go back to square 1 and examine your own assumptions.

1. Can a machine as expensive to produce as the PS3 compete price-wise with a machine as inexpensive to produce as the Wii in a broad-audience scenario? Remember, a large percentage of consumers are very price sensitive.

2. Can the PS3 continue to remain price-competitive with standalone Blu-ray players as they begin to rapidly drop in price? For Walmart shoppers there already exists a $160 solution. This means the PS3 can no longer count on being the cheapest Blu-ray player for those primarily interested in watching HD movies.

3. How far into the next generation can we get before it becomes impossible for an underdog, regardless how determined or talented, to still win that generation even though most customers have already made a decision and purchased at least 1 next gen system?



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izaaz101 on 14 December 2008
Phoenix_Wiight said:
TWRoO said:
Phoenix_Wiight said:
Paul said:
Maybe they should sell it for $100 and include a new function that makes you pizza while you play.

I would buy 4.

 

id buy 5.

I'd leave it at 1... I only need 1 pizza at once.

 

 

You can never have too much pizza.

If all you ate was pizza, couldn't you die?

 



EvilChronos on 14 December 2008

OK I didnt think I would have to explain this cause I thought it would be obvious but I guess not...

Sony prooved with the ps2 that u can take SIGNIFICANT hits in price in the first half of the life of a system knowing that on the back half u will earn quite a bit not only off the system "cause the tech gets cheaper over time therefore cheaper to build year after year" but with a huge increase on accessories "wich have the highest % of profit from store bought merch" not to mention the fact that games will increase in sells and somewhat unique obviously to this gen is the dl's straight from the source "wich are quite profitable too" AND having your name in the house more will cause a person to buy your other products if u show them how nice 1 can be.

So to get back on point the FACT is that there are ten's of millions of people worldwide "especially Asia" who own a ps2 who have not bought a ps3 or any next gen for that fact cause there system is still being published for. Now if you stop support of the ps2 "like MS did for xbox" it will force people to go out and buy another system. Now when they get to the store they see that sony is now in the same ball park for the price comparison with Wii and 360 and it also comes with the cable u need to make it look good on your new high def tv and a good game. Then u read on the box that all your old ps2 and ps1 games will work on this new system and u can also watch high def movies and get on the internet and etc... and GEE look at them fly out of the store, imagine that. This is honestly simple. Not only has sony prooven my point with the ps2 but microsoft proved it with the xbox/360. This truly is not a hard thing to grasp.

BTW just incase u are one of the shit talkers earlier I have taken Micro Eco, Stat Eco, World Eco, Eco 101, 201, 303. I love the subject and I do know a little bit about what Iam talking about here. Grant-it Iam obviously not as qualified as the sony eco's however how good have they been doing so far? hmmmmm



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NJ5 on 14 December 2008
EvilChronos said:

OK I didnt think I would have to explain this cause I thought it would be obvious but I guess not...

Sony prooved with the ps2 that u can take SIGNIFICANT hits in price in the first half of the life of a system knowing that on the back half u will earn quite a bit not only off the system "cause the tech gets cheaper over time therefore cheaper to build year after year" but with a huge increase on accessories "wich have the highest % of profit from store bought merch" not to mention the fact that games will increase in sells and somewhat unique obviously to this gen is the dl's straight from the source "wich are quite profitable too" AND having your name in the house more will cause a person to buy your other products if u show them how nice 1 can be.

So to get back on point the FACT is that there are ten's of millions of people worldwide "especially Asia" who own a ps2 who have not bought a ps3 or any next gen for that fact cause there system is still being published for. Now if you stop support of the ps2 "like MS did for xbox" it will force people to go out and buy another system. Now when they get to the store they see that sony is now in the same ball park for the price comparison with Wii and 360 and it also comes with the cable u need to make it look good on your new high def tv and a good game. Then u read on the box that all your old ps2 and ps1 games will work on this new system and u can also watch high def movies and get on the internet and etc... and GEE look at them fly out of the store, imagine that. This is honestly simple. Not only has sony prooven my point with the ps2 but microsoft proved it with the xbox/360. This truly is not a hard thing to grasp.

BTW just incase u are one of the shit talkers earlier I have taken Micro Eco, Stat Eco, World Eco, Eco 101, 201, 303. I love the subject and I do know a little bit about what Iam talking about here. Grant-it Iam obviously not as qualified as the sony eco's however how good have they been doing so far? hmmmmm

Sony only had one unprofitable fiscal year during the PS2 era. Constrast that with two unprofitable fiscal years due to the PS3, well on their way to the third.

When you think about a $100 price cut and look at the tie ratios for most consoles, it becomes obvious that price cuts aren't always a good idea. A $100 price cut means having to sell 5-10 more games per console owner in order to break a profit from that person.

 



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dolemit3 on 14 December 2008
RolStoppable said:
Sometimes I really wonder whether or not certain people are real or are just accounts set up for the sole purpose of making Sony fans look bad.

You mean MSFT infiltrated our ranks?

 



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Staude on 14 December 2008
Phoenix_Wiight said:
TWRoO said:
Phoenix_Wiight said:
Paul said:
Maybe they should sell it for $100 and include a new function that makes you pizza while you play.

I would buy 4.

 

id buy 5.

I'd leave it at 1... I only need 1 pizza at once.

 

 

You can never have too much pizza.

True ! i'd buy 8.. The rest can go in the fridge !

 



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couchmonkey on 14 December 2008
EvilChronos said:

So to get back on point the FACT is that there are ten's of millions of people worldwide "especially Asia" who own a ps2 who have not bought a ps3 or any next gen for that fact cause there system is still being published for. Now if you stop support of the ps2 "like MS did for xbox" it will force people to go out and buy another system. Now when they get to the store they see that sony is now in the same ball park for the price comparison with Wii and 360 and it also comes with the cable u need to make it look good on your new high def tv and a good game. Then u read on the box that all your old ps2 and ps1 games will work on this new system and u can also watch high def movies and get on the internet and etc... and GEE look at them fly out of the store, imagine that. This is honestly simple. Not only has sony prooven my point with the ps2 but microsoft proved it with the xbox/360. This truly is not a hard thing to grasp.

How do you propose Sony "stops" game publishing on the PS2?  Is Sony going to tell third parties they're not allowed to make PS2 games anymore?  I'm sure that'll go over well...

As for selling the system at a price closer to the other two, if you really think Sony has just dismissed this idea for the hell of it, you're crazy.  I know technology gets cheaper as you make more units, but Sony obviously knows that too.  What makes you think they haven't already calculated the cost and reward of another price drop (based on quality internal data versus the internet speculation that we all use?)



De85 on 14 December 2008
EvilChronos said:

OK I didnt think I would have to explain this cause I thought it would be obvious but I guess not...

Sony prooved with the ps2 that u can take SIGNIFICANT hits in price in the first half of the life of a system knowing that on the back half u will earn quite a bit not only off the system "cause the tech gets cheaper over time therefore cheaper to build year after year" but with a huge increase on accessories "wich have the highest % of profit from store bought merch" not to mention the fact that games will increase in sells and somewhat unique obviously to this gen is the dl's straight from the source "wich are quite profitable too" AND having your name in the house more will cause a person to buy your other products if u show them how nice 1 can be.

So to get back on point the FACT is that there are ten's of millions of people worldwide "especially Asia" who own a ps2 who have not bought a ps3 or any next gen for that fact cause there system is still being published for. Now if you stop support of the ps2 "like MS did for xbox" it will force people to go out and buy another system. Now when they get to the store they see that sony is now in the same ball park for the price comparison with Wii and 360 and it also comes with the cable u need to make it look good on your new high def tv and a good game. Then u read on the box that all your old ps2 and ps1 games will work on this new system and u can also watch high def movies and get on the internet and etc... and GEE look at them fly out of the store, imagine that. This is honestly simple. Not only has sony prooven my point with the ps2 but microsoft proved it with the xbox/360. This truly is not a hard thing to grasp.

BTW just incase u are one of the shit talkers earlier I have taken Micro Eco, Stat Eco, World Eco, Eco 101, 201, 303. I love the subject and I do know a little bit about what Iam talking about here. Grant-it Iam obviously not as qualified as the sony eco's however how good have they been doing so far? hmmmmm

You think the BC is far more important than it actually is.  For the most part all these peoples' old PS2s will still work fine so that is a non-issue.  The internet is nice, but they probably all have computers, and when you include the high-def cable as a selling point you're really grasping at straws.

Don't get me wrong, those thigns are all nice to have, but in the end what sells a console are the games, so along with reducing the manufacturing costs, that's where Sony should focus.



jlauro on 14 December 2008
De85 said:

You think the BC is far more important than it actually is.  For the most part all these peoples' old PS2s will still work fine so that is a non-issue.  The internet is nice, but they probably all have computers, and when you include the high-def cable as a selling point you're really grasping at straws.

Don't get me wrong, those thigns are all nice to have, but in the end what sells a console are the games, so along with reducing the manufacturing costs, that's where Sony should focus.

 

You might be underestimating the importance of BC, at least for some consumers.  I have a PS2, and now I have a Wii.  My buying habbits appear to be typical as to how last generation and this generation are going.  I will not get a PS3 without BC unless it's under $149 new.  I'll pay upto $299 with BC.

So, BC in a PS3 is worth about 50% of the price to me.  A PS3 without BC is worth far less than my Wii.



irstupid on 14 December 2008

ha no that would not work either way and don't throw in economics class. I have and many others i'm sure have economics way higher than 101.

Also lets say your dream comes true and htey do all of that, heck lets even say the price is $100. The PS3 still could not pass the Wii next year. And you want to know why, 1 simple thing

They could not produce enough consoles in 1 year to catch up to the Wii. It's not possible.