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mesoteto said:
FishyJoe said:
Or maybe you should develop a thicker skin and learn to take criticism.

 

i give this a +10

 

i mean if you say something stupid then expect to get a response

 

So true.

Especially when someone throws their opinion out there like it's a fact. I mean, using words like "certainly" and opening their thread with "This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. "

Seriously, think before you type. You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but try to make it a little more obvious that it is, after all, an opinion.

 



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Plaupius said:
NightstrikerX said:
To turn this thread into a positive, lets look at logical idea's to turn the playstation 3 around, without having to spend a ton of money, or drop the price. Lets not aim for number 1, but instead lets aim to take the xbox 360 down a notch.

1 - Playstation Home - Like second life, this has potential to become huge. Very huge, its already here, it just needs tweaking according to many people's opinions. Sell virtual space to companies who wish to expand their business to the virtual world, much like second life.

Another idea for PlayStation home is allow for a virtual marketplace, allowing people to trade levels in LittleBigPlanet, game records, show off trophies, compete in tournaments. Do MUCH more than a little virtual dance club.

What I love about PlayStation home is that it's already here, and its in its very base form. I can see it being upgraded cheaply and being able to pull in VAST amounts of numbers, epically if it is marketed towards corporations who wish to expand their presence throughout virtual-space.

2 - Sackboy, Sackboy is Sony's new mascot right? Its been established. Alot of people find him adorable, alot of people find him creepy. It doesn't matter what your opinion of him is, Sackboy represents the Playstation 3. Thus, Sackboy should make many, many appearances in other Sony Games. If not to boost the sales of LittleBigPlanet, but to allow the establishment of new titles without the risk of sales being below 1million.

3 - Bundle, Sony should bundle something with the 399.99 80gig model. It doesn't need to be fancy, or expensive. Xbox 360 pro comes bundled with Kung-Fu Panda where I'm at. Kung-Fu Freaking...Panda. Does this change the value of the 299.99 Xbox console? Yes, I've still seen Xbox 360 pro's sold at 299.99 without the bundled in game. While the price remains the same, the value does not.

People enjoy value with their purchase. They like seeing a little extra for their money, thus if the 399.99 playStation 3 came with something from 07'... say, resistance 1. It'll not only boost sales to Resistance 2, but it'll boost playstation 3's sales without much cost towards Sony.

I've never taken a economic class in my life, all I know is what I understand from you guys and what reading these forums taught me over the years. So I hope these ideas have merit, if not. Let me know, I'm open to criticism.

Those are not bad ideas, IMO. Home could have potential for something much bigger, it just needs to allow two things: user created content and user-to-user microtransactions. I don't have a PS3 nor have I read up on Home, so I don't know if either of those two are possible, and if so to what extent. But regarding Second Life, the "killer feature" is your ability to make something and then sell it to other users. Very few things motivate people more than the possibility to earn money from what you like doing anyway. Once you get a few success stories of people making a level/clothes for avatars/whatever and earning a few thousand dollars from it, the floodgates will open. Since the PS3 is connceted to your TV, Home could become a new medium for all kinds of new content, and it might cross the boundary from "geeky computer stuff" to "everybody can enjoy it", something that even Second Life hasn't really managed to do.

Regarding your two other points, it would be cool to have your Sackboy as a playable character in Tekken and the likes, and I'm pretty sure it would benefit Sony greatly if they indeed did all they can to push Sackboy into as many games as possible. I don't mean it has to be a playable character, but just make an appearance in one form or another.

And about the bundles, IMO it would be a very smart move to bundle the first game in a series and thus get more people to buy the following parts. They could perhaps do it at cost so as to not actually lose any money. Which makes me wonder, how much would a PS3 bundled with, say, Motorstorm and Resistance 1 cost if Sony set the price at break even for them?

Thanks for your opinion, alot of people have said that LittleBigPlanet should be bundled in with the playstation 3. I highly disagree, what we've both mentioned sounds like a better idea. For many reasons, the most obvious one is price. LittleBigPlanet currently retails at 59.99 where I am, I'm sure it varies from region to region. But since the price hasn't gone down any, it's still worth alot of money to sell at 59.99. Other games like Motorstorm, Resistance, Etc. have gone down in price. Thus its safer to bundle with the 399.99 playstation 3, not have to reduce the price to 349.99. But still experience a slight boost to sales. Thus, when they do feel safe enough to reduce the price, the impact will be even greater.

Thats my opinion on why Resistance, Motorstorm, other 07 titles should be bundled.

 



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EvilChronos said:

This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. Heres hoping for next year...

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

Those 3 very simple and not to god awfully expensive things would certainly catapult sony into 1st place within a year of these things being done/released. So the question is why doesnt sony just bite the bullet on this one and do it. They would certainly make up the money in the end plus some. They were so scared with the money they were loosing with the ps2 "for atleast the first 4 years" for the price they sold it at but they made it back in the end plus way, way more.

Sony plz figure it out before it is too late and u start loosing developers cause its just not worth it to publish on your system.

 

 

 1) Wouldn't make any difference

2)Sony has lost 3.6 billion in 2.5 years. What's another 2-3 billion in one year in losses right ?? Nevermind that sony has huge debts and has to lay off an army of people.

3) Great idea. Cut one of the few things that bring a few profits to sony's gaming division so that the , now priced at 299$ with a free game+HDMI cable according to your second proposition, ps3 can completely destroy sony.

 



EvilChronos said:

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

Simple? Perhaps. Easy? Feasible? Not on your life.

1) Whether or not this is really possible depends largely on how they implement certain aspects of their OS. Certainly Sony should do this -dropping BC was yet another in Sony's long list of colossal mistakes with this console- but I think you underestimate how easy it is, even for a company with full access to the system's specs and documentation. Even the PS2 wasn't actually 100% backward-compatible, though it did come damn close.

2) Sony cannot do this. The losses they take are already too huge, and they are not in a position to sustain even worse losses than they currently do for the amount of time that they would need to sustain them. Depending on who you ask, they might not even be in a position to sustain the losses they're currently taking for long enough. Companies cannot run forever on debt alone, and a large part of our current economic problems can be chalked up to people and companies that tried to do it. Sony did too, actually, and now they are paying the price of that risk.

3) While stopping production of the PS2 would indeed push PS3 sales to some degree, it is unlikely that it would boost PS3 sales by enough to justify cutting loose such a profitable part of Sony's catalog. See point 2, above. Also see point 1, given that full BC is frankly a necessity before Sony can hope to do this without alienating fans.

You ask why Sony hasn't done this. I can give you the answer in two words: it can't. Sony has painted itself into a corner, to the point where they simply can't do what needs to be done to save the PS3.



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The best thing about this thread is that the OP is actually serious.



elnino334 said:
The best thing about this thread is that the OP is actually serious.

Yes, but doesn't Sony want to win enough to throw some of their equity to the wind?  They sold their insurance division shortly after the PS3 launched -- maybe they could sell their music and movie studios to afford these bundles and discounts which would slightly increase their chances of ever passing the 360 world wide even though the PS3 would still have no hope of ever reaching profitability overall.



TheBigFatJ said:
elnino334 said:
The best thing about this thread is that the OP is actually serious.

Yes, but doesn't Sony want to win enough to throw some of their equity to the wind?  They sold their insurance division shortly after the PS3 launched -- maybe they could sell their music and movie studios to afford these bundles and discounts which would slightly increase their chances of ever passing the 360 world wide even though the PS3 would still have no hope of ever reaching profitability overall.

 

The problem right now is there aren't many buyers. It's hard to get credit for billions of dollars to make an acquisition and nobody wants to throw away all their cash.



FishyJoe said:
TheBigFatJ said:
elnino334 said:
The best thing about this thread is that the OP is actually serious.

Yes, but doesn't Sony want to win enough to throw some of their equity to the wind?  They sold their insurance division shortly after the PS3 launched -- maybe they could sell their music and movie studios to afford these bundles and discounts which would slightly increase their chances of ever passing the 360 world wide even though the PS3 would still have no hope of ever reaching profitability overall.

 

The problem right now is there aren't many buyers. It's hard to get credit for billions of dollars to make an acquisition and nobody wants to throw away all their cash.

 

I know -- Charter communications is about to find that out as well.  They're liquidating and trying to trade debt-for-equity, which is an odd thing to attempt when you have negative equity.



hmmm this is in OP's signature

"END OF GENERATION PREDICTIONS "9-21-08"

PS3=130M 360=90M Wii=120M DS=130M PSP=70M

Other Prediction: The PS3 will overtake the 360 XMAS of 09 "9-21-08""

If PS3 is on target for both, why would Sony need advice from OP? or OP means Sony can achieve his predictions by following his advice?

Based on OP's suggestions, money is not an issue. In such case, if Sony gives out free PS3s with no games or movies, they can totally gain the market share for gaming and quickly expanding the Blu-ray penetration. This would totally do better than add BC back to PS3 or bundling games and there is no need to kill PS2. :)



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