Sure

Wii Sports

Wii Fit

Mario Kart

SMG

SSBB

Twilight Princess

Resident Evil 4/UC

Big Brain Academy

Guitar Hero

I actually prefer most of those titles to the titles you listed (although I haven't played all the ones you listed).

I agree that they don't have the same polish as the titles you listed (I'm sure a group of 10 people could have made BBA in 10 days), but they're still pretty awesome.

I really hate just listing those kinds of games, and I'm afraid I just contributed to a flame war.

Having said what I just did, I don't think the Wii's library is the most comparable to the Ps2's at the time. The Ps3 is just as close. At this time was before the mass of more "casual" games came to Ps2. The Wii's library is the closest to the Ps2's final library, but not the closest one to the one the Ps2 had 2 years in.

So first it was the fad will die off and the Wii will be trounced. Now the argument has moved on to 5 years from now the Wii won't sell any consoles because it will have no games and the PS2 will still rule supreme. Yay!!!

How about looking at the actual numbers and coming to the honest realization that the Wii probably will outsell the PS2. It's not the end of the world guys.

People, list wars are the final refuge of persons who don't know how to talk properly. Let us not sully ourselves with them, eh?

Exactly my thoughts. The appeal to the majority (argumentum ad populum) can never be treated as an absolute, even when dealing with matters of subjectivity (morals, values, etc). In this case, it is only true that quality (of art) can be equated with popularity (with the masses) if "quality" is defined as an extension of "popularity" - and personally, I find "success" to be a much more suitable term.

Of course, I am aware that Sky Render never made this claim (griffin kind of did), but I figured I might as well point it out.

As for the Wii, yes it is/will be greater (by Erik Aston's definition) than the PS2. It's funny because I remember Miyamoto commenting on the same thing - how the industry goes through one generation of revolution (when a new game experience is introduced) followed by evolution (when the experience is "perfected"), and how Nintendo's next console might well end up as a Super Wii if history is any indication.

Imo ps2 was THE console and i dont think any console can be just as good i was during its time but i guess that just me.

Exactly helios, because art (or quality) is subjective to everyone, the only judge of quality is how many people perfer a certain product. Therefore sales do equate quality.

I see where you are coming from, but I simply can't agree with your reasoning. As I see it, the only thing that can follow from the fact that a majority of people think something is art, is the fact that a majority of people think it is art. What tells us if it really IS art is if it adheres to our definition (idea) of art - that's just the way our language is constructed. Like I said, there simply isn't a correlation between the opinion of the masses and facts - all the more so in this case since a subjective matter like this only makes it pointless to talk about facts.

To put it another way: A solipsist would certainly not care about what other people think is art - he doesn't even believe they exist. And wether they exist or not, their opinions on art would not render his obsolete - after all, there is no such thing as a "faulty" opinion.

Perhaps you could argue that something is art "from humanity's perspective" if a majority of all humans agreed upon it, but I think circumstances would have affected that decision so much that it's pointless to talk about it as a "natural" perspective of any value.

In a way it does by hardware sales because they both had a successful generation. Both the Wii and the PS2 won the console war. PS2 continues to sell 30k every week and the Wii continues to have amazing weekly sales.

Another 'Will the Wii outsell the PS2?' thread?!? Not sure if I've posted to one before, so I'll take a stab at this one...

Possibly.

There are so many factors that will determine whether or not the Wii eventually sells more than 122 million consoles. And that number continues to climb since the PS2 continues to sell well for an 8 year old design.

In the Wii's favor are the current pace of sales, this new 'expanded' player base, and games/experiences that continue to sell months and years after they launch. Against it are the console's low end specs, Nintendo's build quality, and the possibility of the 'fad' finally wearing off.

Expanding upon those ideas for a second, the Wii continues to sell like gang busters. Nintendo still cannot make enough. This has been a blessing and a curse for the company. By continuing to be tough item to find (though a bit easier lately), it creates free publicity and creates a bit of artificial demand by being the 'it' item. On the other hand, this waiting can get old. And I'm sure some people have given up over the past two years. But given that the Wii experience is unlike any of the other consoles out there, I doubt many 360s or PS3s have been sold to Wii-less people.

And the Wii masses are diverse. And they like to show off their consoles to friends and family. Which in turn creates more demand. Much of the Wii's success can be traced to this viral marketing.

And the number one game for the system comes right in the box... Wii Sports. That game demonstrated the potential of the Wiimote and is probably the best ambassador game ever. And it's not just that game that's in the top sellers every month. Sure, Wii Play is a 'hit' (Nintendo makes a few extra bucks off an extra controller), but Wii Fit is huge and will be one of the hardest games to find this holiday. I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to be challenging well into 2009...

But on the other side of the coin, to make it to 130M+ systems the Wii will have to sell like hotcakes for another four years. At around 36M on it's two year anniversary, that's 18M a year. Sure Nintendo has upped shipments a number of times over the past 24 months, but the company probably can't/won't make too many more than 25M per year.

So that begs the question, how many years does the Wii have in it? The Wii was already old technology when it was announced. So how long will Nintendo continue to milk the outdated before upgrading the experience? And if they do so, will that fracture the installed base. If history is a good indicator, look no further than the Nintendo DS to see how the company is going to squeeze this for all it's worth. The main tech inside the DS (a pairing of an N64 and SNES) hasn't changed though the packaging has gone through two major revisions in the past four years. The DS technically needs to change to add features since adding attachments to a portable makes it less pocket friendly. But the Wii doesn't. When Nintendo wants to upgrade the Wii experience, it brings out a new add-on. Wii Balance Board. Wii Motion Plus. Wii Something Else.

One of the nice things about Nintendo products are that they're generally built well and last for a long, long time. I honestly cannot say the same of the PS1 or PS2. I'm sure millions of PS2 consoles sold these days are to replace broken ones. I'm not sure if millions of Wiis will need to be replaced a few years from now. (Wiimotes that fly through windows, yes. Wii consoles, no.)

And finally the 'fad' argument. Not exactly a fad, but the Nintendo Wii is quite popular these days. I believe this is why a lot of people call it a fad. But the Wii has outlasted Cabbage Patch dolls, Razor scooters, and the like. But will this popularity last? The public generally has a short attention span. It's amazing that it continues to be focused on the Wii this long.

In the end, if Nintendo or its partners (yeah, right) can continue to create new and interesting experiences that people want to share with others over the next couple of years, the Wii could become the best selling console ever. But it's got a long haul ahead and who knows what the future holds. If they don't, Nintendo will still have the best selling system ever in the Nintendo DS.

It has no old technology, at least no older then the PS3 and and 360. It may not be as high-end as the other new consoles, but old it is not. It was just designed with low costs in mind, but is fully modern technology with some built in modern features the same as the PS3 such as blue tooth and wireless networking. It also has motion sensor technology that makes the 360 and PS3 very "old" technology wise as you would put it.

Just because something is smaller or slower does not mean it's technology is older.

I am surprised how many people seem to still be mistaken by the technology level in the wii.