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I am not engaged enough to be able to fully judge the bans and moderations as fair or unfair. And I never read the rules. Just as a disclaimer. Here is what I think anyways.

It is always wrong to censor people on an anonymous forum. Sure, you cannot scream fire in a theatre or incite violence. But on here? I cannot think of an example where I would be for censoring anybody, even if the content of the post hurts somebodys feelings. That is actually a huge part of how we grow as people, to have our feelings hurt and still be able to function. A cushy bubble for your brain is the antithesis of resilience.

Also, someone posted these as forum rules: "Racist, sexist, hateful, toxic, or otherwise demeaning comments will not be tolerated." What if (just as an example) someone is for abortion and comments that, but another person thinks this is "hateful, toxic and demeaning" (to unborn children and anybody who regrets having had an abortion)? What exactly counts as "toxic" and "demeaning"?
-These rules are completely vague and their application seems arbitrary.

But those rules are not exactly applied on a personal whim, their application is not completely arbitrary, because they are applied in a certain socio-political climate. Every get-together of a number of people develops this. This website has one too and as other commenters have alluded to, that climate is not exactly a hallmark of diversity and individuality when it comes to hot button issues people love to dissagree about. Such a climate assures that vague rules are interpreted in a particular way and not in another. I am glad that many people can see how bent towards one narrow path the climate around moderation on this website is and that a thread like this exists. Let's see for how long.

I'll close with this thought: People demanding tolerance and inclusivity are seldom tolerant and inclusive themselves. "Like, why cant you just not be hateful, oh my god? It is not that difficult, just shut up if you know your opinion is not to our liking."



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I do think there is a issue of certain kinds of extreme statements getting a more lax response due to them coming from a place that the mods align with. It's not a major issue since moderation on here is overall decently lax which I like but there have certainly been times where I see someone say stuff and get a small response or even no response at all while someone else gets a bigger response for something more minor. This caused Chrkeller to take a break a few months ago and seems to have just caused Zippy6 to do the same and that is concerning considering the number of active users so I do think things being somewhat more lax would be good for the long term health of the site.



Norion said:

I do think there is a issue of certain kinds of extreme statements getting a more lax response due to them coming from a place that the mods align with. It's not a major issue since moderation on here is overall decently lax which I like but there have certainly been times where I see someone say stuff and get a small response or even no response at all while someone else gets a bigger response for something more minor. This caused Chrkeller to take a break a few months ago and seems to have just caused Zippy6 to do the same and that is concerning considering the number of active users so I do think things being somewhat more lax would be good for the long term health of the site.

Now this I might actually be able to agree with. It doesn't seem like a huge issue, but I have wondered about this every now and then.



I feel like most of the moderation I've seen done in the politics thread isn't really about what people are arguing, but instead about the fact that they are engaging in a way which isn't conducive to debate. For example, there was one user who I recall would often go into the politics thread to post controversial takes (I don't recall their name or if they are still around). Upon getting several replies, they would say they enjoyed ragebaiting people but didn't want to waste time arguing. Rinse repeat about once a week. I believe that person was banned from the thread. Good.



sundin13 said:

I feel like most of the moderation I've seen done in the politics thread isn't really about what people are arguing, but instead about the fact that they are engaging in a way which isn't conducive to debate. For example, there was one user who I recall would often go into the politics thread to post controversial takes (I don't recall their name or if they are still around). Upon getting several replies, they would say they enjoyed ragebaiting people but didn't want to waste time arguing. Rinse repeat about once a week. I believe that person was banned from the thread. Good.

The things some people are willing to do for their enjoyment...



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Cerebralbore101 said:

I think a lot of the mods here have decided that anything that doesn't tow the party line is a bannable offense when it comes to race, identity, sexual orientation, nationality, and gender identity.

For example: I'm sure I'll get banned for saying these things but...

Sex and Gender are the same thing. You cannot change your gender or sex. If you want to live life as if you were another gender go ahead. Everyone should be able to live their lives however they want so long as they aren't harming others. Men participating in Women's sports is flat out cheating, just the same as steroid use is cheating. Many decisions regarding gender identity should wait until after you turn 18. Transgender people are factually wrong about their gender, but also having a psychologist try to convince them that they are the gender they were born as usually just results in suicide or depression. So for that reason I am in favor of "Gender Affirming Care". If someone needs to live their life as the opposite gender in order to be happy and not kill themselves, then that's fine by me. At the same time, though, nobody should be forced to use anyone's preferred pronouns. Everyone has a right to reality and forcing people to deny reality in order to satisfy someone else is beyond ridiculous. I'm an Athiest and I see being forced to use someone's preferred pronouns as just as much of an insult as being forced to pray at a company meeting.

If you entered the USA illegally as an adult of your own accord and do not have a valid asylum claim you should be deported without delay. If you overstayed your visa and do not have a valid asylum claim, you should be deported without delay. Immigration whether legal or illegal depresses wages by increasing the pool of job-seekers. Everyone should be paid a fair wage with reasonable working conditions. What often happens with immigration is that everyone is paid the same but the job conditions and wages do not keep up with modern standards. When you have 35 people applying for one job instead of 5 you can afford to have that job be the same pay rate for 30 years and have the working conditions and pace of the job slowly grow worse over the years. 

I want to make another thread on the topic of how the Democratic party has been throwing elections by putting candidates with extreme views on immigration and gender identity on the ballot in red states. The problem is that like the mods on this site, nothing other than the party line is tolerated. But I'll save that for if I don't get banned.

At first, I would say that saying sex and gender is the same is on the same level as saying there is no square root of -1 or that there are only 3 states of matter. But we know that saying these two has no real consequences in the our daily lives. You can speak them out loud, you would just be wrong about it. Saying sex and gender are the same is different, though. It has implications, intentions, many times harmful towards a group of people. But there are times people is just stuck to their precious Basic Biology classes forever. I think the mods can use the powers to take an action when they see one's intentions with their statements. The world is complex even with rules and regulations too. If there is a rule that says "don't step into the grass", it is clear easy to verify if it is being broken or not. There are other rules that requires more interpretation of the ones responsible to moderate according to said rules. If I were a mod, I wouldn't ban you for claiming that Sex and Gender are the same because I don't see an intention of your part to be intolerant. You are just stuck to your Basic Biology class. I suggest you read more about the topic, scientific papers if needed, talk to people who whose sex doesn't align with the gender society imposes to them, know more about what goes on trans people in sports.



Cerebralbore101 said:

I think a lot of the mods here have decided that anything that doesn't tow the party line is a bannable offense when it comes to race, identity, sexual orientation, nationality, and gender identity.

For example: I'm sure I'll get banned for saying these things but...

Sex and Gender are the same thing. You cannot change your gender or sex. If you want to live life as if you were another gender go ahead. Everyone should be able to live their lives however they want so long as they aren't harming others. Men participating in Women's sports is flat out cheating, just the same as steroid use is cheating. Many decisions regarding gender identity should wait until after you turn 18. Transgender people are factually wrong about their gender, but also having a psychologist try to convince them that they are the gender they were born as usually just results in suicide or depression. So for that reason I am in favor of "Gender Affirming Care". If someone needs to live their life as the opposite gender in order to be happy and not kill themselves, then that's fine by me. At the same time, though, nobody should be forced to use anyone's preferred pronouns. Everyone has a right to reality and forcing people to deny reality in order to satisfy someone else is beyond ridiculous. I'm an Athiest and I see being forced to use someone's preferred pronouns as just as much of an insult as being forced to pray at a company meeting.

If you entered the USA illegally as an adult of your own accord and do not have a valid asylum claim you should be deported without delay. If you overstayed your visa and do not have a valid asylum claim, you should be deported without delay. Immigration whether legal or illegal depresses wages by increasing the pool of job-seekers. Everyone should be paid a fair wage with reasonable working conditions. What often happens with immigration is that everyone is paid the same but the job conditions and wages do not keep up with modern standards. When you have 35 people applying for one job instead of 5 you can afford to have that job be the same pay rate for 30 years and have the working conditions and pace of the job slowly grow worse over the years. 

I want to make another thread on the topic of how the Democratic party has been throwing elections by putting candidates with extreme views on immigration and gender identity on the ballot in red states. The problem is that like the mods on this site, nothing other than the party line is tolerated. But I'll save that for if I don't get banned.

I am wondering if this is secretly an attempt to completely refute the OP, because damned if this doesn't demonstrate why its bullshit.

Because I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not an idiot. Assuming you're not an idiot, you know what kind of response your post is going to get. It's not going to further any actual conversation about moderation and politics, it's going to derail things. You didn't want to just give an example, you wanted to start an argument about trans people. In a place where it is entirely unwarranted. Of course, if you legitimately didn't want that outcome I apologize for my wrongful assumption. 

This is not a good faith post. This is being intentionally disruptive and antagonistic. So you should get banned. Then when you do you'll whine about how it was cause you don't have the correct political views rather than the fact that you're being a dick about it. 

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JuliusHackebeil said:

I am not engaged enough to be able to fully judge the bans and moderations as fair or unfair. And I never read the rules. Just as a disclaimer. Here is what I think anyways.

It is always wrong to censor people on an anonymous forum. Sure, you cannot scream fire in a theatre or incite violence. But on here? I cannot think of an example where I would be for censoring anybody, even if the content of the post hurts somebodys feelings. That is actually a huge part of how we grow as people, to have our feelings hurt and still be able to function. A cushy bubble for your brain is the antithesis of resilience.

Also, someone posted these as forum rules: "Racist, sexist, hateful, toxic, or otherwise demeaning comments will not be tolerated." What if (just as an example) someone is for abortion and comments that, but another person thinks this is "hateful, toxic and demeaning" (to unborn children and anybody who regrets having had an abortion)? What exactly counts as "toxic" and "demeaning"?
-These rules are completely vague and their application seems arbitrary.

But those rules are not exactly applied on a personal whim, their application is not completely arbitrary, because they are applied in a certain socio-political climate. Every get-together of a number of people develops this. This website has one too and as other commenters have alluded to, that climate is not exactly a hallmark of diversity and individuality when it comes to hot button issues people love to dissagree about. Such a climate assures that vague rules are interpreted in a particular way and not in another. I am glad that many people can see how bent towards one narrow path the climate around moderation on this website is and that a thread like this exists. Let's see for how long.

I'll close with this thought: People demanding tolerance and inclusivity are seldom tolerant and inclusive themselves. "Like, why cant you just not be hateful, oh my god? It is not that difficult, just shut up if you know your opinion is not to our liking."

Saying I support abortion can not be said to be hateful, toxic, or demeaning to anyone who might be reading that post. If you are an unborn person I am pretty sure you're going to be completely unbothered. If you were a person who had an abortion that regrets it, it may stir up emotions, but someone supporting abortion is not demeaning you in any way or saying anything negative about you. If that's your best example, yikes. 

That said, if whoever owns this site (if such a person exists) wanted to make a rule that you can't talk about abortion, that's fine by me. If they want to make a site where only anti-abortion stances are promoted, also go for it. 

Point is that the idea of a forum is to make it a place where people willingly want to spend their time. If whoever runs the site thinks people want to go to a site where they have the privilege of getting their feelings hurt regularly to make themselves stronger or whatever... uhhhhh... well they could make that site. And if someone wants to make a place where certain things are not said, also their option. And you have the option of finding the place that is right for you, or even creating your own.

As for me, I'll say this. The reason I post much less frequently than I used to is largely because at a point I realized that a disturbing amount of people on this site are people that I genuinely believe are bad people. And I just kind of started thinking why to I want to shoot the shit about videogames with people I genuinely find repugnant. That's the tradeoff. Either way you do it, you're going to lose some portion of the audience. Up to whoever runs the site to decide which part they want.

As for the tired "so much for the tolerant left" bit, tolerance applies to things that are not harming others. 



JuliusHackebeil said:

I am not engaged enough to be able to fully judge the bans and moderations as fair or unfair. And I never read the rules. Just as a disclaimer. Here is what I think anyways.

It is always wrong to censor people on an anonymous forum. Sure, you cannot scream fire in a theatre or incite violence. But on here? I cannot think of an example where I would be for censoring anybody, even if the content of the post hurts somebodys feelings. That is actually a huge part of how we grow as people, to have our feelings hurt and still be able to function. A cushy bubble for your brain is the antithesis of resilience.

With no line whatsoever? 
Do you think I should be allowed to threaten you, call you stupid or whatever else, just because we're online? 

We do not actually grow as people by being bullied. 
JuliusHackebeil said:


Also, someone posted these as forum rules: "Racist, sexist, hateful, toxic, or otherwise demeaning comments will not be tolerated." What if (just as an example) someone is for abortion and comments that, but another person thinks this is "hateful, toxic and demeaning" (to unborn children and anybody who regrets having had an abortion)? What exactly counts as "toxic" and "demeaning"?
-These rules are completely vague and their application seems arbitrary.

There is a big difference between your abortion example and these other examples.

It is whether you are targeting someone.

Saying "I think abortion is murder" is different from saying "people who have abortions are murderous POS".

There's a difference between expressing your opinion on something and attacking people - even if technically one of those statements can logically come from the other. You're still not attacking people by expressing the opinion.  

JuliusHackebeil said:

I'll close with this thought: People demanding tolerance and inclusivity are seldom tolerant and inclusive themselves. "Like, why cant you just not be hateful, oh my god? It is not that difficult, just shut up if you know your opinion is not to our liking."

I also think this is missing the point. Tolerance is about accepting people, not their actions. I can be happy to have someone in my house and be upset that they're peeing in my hallway. 

I can tolerate any kind of people in my kids' classes, but I can't tolerate someone bullying them and stealing their lunch money.  



sundin13 said:

I feel like most of the moderation I've seen done in the politics thread isn't really about what people are arguing, but instead about the fact that they are engaging in a way which isn't conducive to debate. For example, there was one user who I recall would often go into the politics thread to post controversial takes (I don't recall their name or if they are still around). Upon getting several replies, they would say they enjoyed ragebaiting people but didn't want to waste time arguing. Rinse repeat about once a week. I believe that person was banned from the thread. Good.

If someone is purely posting shit takes to antagonise others then yeah that would fall under trolling, but it's a tough line to walk there because then there's the risk of unpopular or controversial opinions getting silenced because others don't like it.

Now, I've not been moderated myself in this way so I'm advocating more for the community in general than myself here, but I have some pretty strong and controversial feelings on many topics. I can think of a few times where if I'm honest I have gotten a pass for the sort of thing that has seen others catch bans. Now, I'm not saying I have been preferentially treated as such, more that this highlights how difficult it is to walk that blurred line as far as what is considered acceptable when it comes to touchy topics.

Now, do not get me wrong, I have the greatest of respect for the mods here, it's a very tough job, one I have turned down on multiple occasions in the past because I didn't think I would be able to be impartial. This is just something that's come up repeatedly in my PMs with several members here over the past year or so, and I thought it was worth having a discussion about because the forum's already just barely keeping the fire going so I don't know if we can afford to risk driving away the few active users we have left.