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Should Xbox do more to differentiate itself from PS?

Yes 8 80.00%
 
No 2 20.00%
 
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Vinther1991 said:

Personally I don't want to put unnecessary restrictions on myself or on artists for that matter. I cannot be bothered to boycott media that's labelled woke, feminist, misogynist, racist, DEI, transphobic and all other kinds of nasty words, unless it is very blatantly a political work. Life is too short to get worked up over some character designs in a video game or sit and look for small little details to get angry about, that's just not something I want to spend my energy on. Art should be as free as possible from limitations imposed by external actors.

Maybe I am not in touch with public discourse anymore, since I pulled the plug on social media, but LGBT skins in Halo sounds like an issue for a very small minority of people, who are just looking for stuff to be angry about. I didn't even know about those Halo skins to be honest, I doubt most people know or care for them. That some optional skins in Halo would mean people don't buy an Xbox seems like a stretch to me.

To me the big Xbox franchises still very much focus on the dude-bro audience. Which is fine, if they actually delivered the goods. For the last 15 years or so, Xbox has been mostly associated with three franchises, Forza, Gears and Halo. That is just not enough, they should at least double that amount. Releasing those core franchises on competing hardware is the dumbest decision ever, because it is ruining their brand. It also doesn't help that their most important IP, Halo, hasn't had a really strong title since 360 days. Halo and Gears should ideally be game-of-the-year contenders every time they release, Gears 5 was kinda part of the conversation in 2019, but Halo hasn't been since Halo Reach.

You have horrible writers that want LGBT+ representation and so they change lore to suit their case.
And make up some weird Love interest between two characters that actually hate/dislike one another.... because you want more gay representation ingame.

Do you not see how that can be annoying to people that read the comics?

As far as I know.... Logan is just a "straight" male.
Him having a romantic past with Saber tooth is crazy.
(also one is a serial killer (that has even killed a logans Girlfriend at one point) and the other is supposed to be the good guy)
(they are kinda alike, both suffer with rage.... and one controls it and funnels it into something positive... the other one not so much)

He is supposed to be the bad guy. Not the normal'ish guy, that used to be a past romantic love interest thingy.


"To me the big Xbox franchises still very much focus on the dude-bro audience. Which is fine, if they actually delivered the goods."

Part of the reason they are not delivering "the goods" is because of the people making choices like above.
Sweetbaby inc ect.  

You cannot convince me, this makes for better games. 
It is actually hurting them. 

"Maybe I am not in touch with public discourse anymore, since I pulled the plug on social media, but LGBT skins in Halo sounds like an issue for a very small minority of people"

Multiplayer is whatever.... but it is silly.... their Armour is meant to be camouflage / military style to look like it "fits in", in the military.
Does a rainbow colored Armour do that? It breaks the "concept" or world building of the game, and injects social political points of view into a game.
Some people (majority) would rather not see that in games. They want to relax and not have stuff shoved in their face, when they are trying to play a game.

At best it is just a waste of time, to spend resources doing stuff like that.
At worse, it is off putting and hurting the game, as there are people that will actually stop playing if they see their game treated like that.
People that might have bought it, that then don't because "this is too silly" ect. 

You can argue there are people that are LBGT that want these skins ect... but they represent like 0.0001% of the buyers or something.
You likely do more harm than good here, in terms of sales ect.

Again instead of focusing on stuff like that, I would rather they spend that time fixing bugs or something... anything else that could better the game.

Last edited by JRPGfan - 18 hours ago

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For their own sake (even if we probably lose as players), it would be smart of Microsoft to keep almost all of their IPs off of PlayStation and Nintendo.
They have Bethesda, and Activision-Blizzard. If they at least keep them off of competitors while putting some or all of them on PC it might work for them to get a better market share. COD is to my knowledge still most popular on PS5, and they could pull new COD games from PlayStation.



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JRPGfan said:

You have horrible writers that want LGBT+ representation and so they change lore to suit their case.
And make up some weird Love interest between two characters that actually hate/dislike one another.... because you want more gay representation ingame.

Do you not see how that can be annoying to people that read the comics?

As far as I know.... Logan is just a "straight" male.
Him having a romantic past with Saber tooth is crazy.
(also one is a serial killer (that has even killed a logans Girlfriend at one point) and the other is supposed to be the good guy)
(they are kinda alike, both suffer with rage.... and one controls it and funnels it into something positive... the other one not so much)

He is supposed to be the bad guy. Not the normal'ish guy, that used to be a past romantic love interest thingy.


"To me the big Xbox franchises still very much focus on the dude-bro audience. Which is fine, if they actually delivered the goods."

Part of the reason they are not delivering "the goods" is because of the people making choices like above.
Sweetbaby inc ect.  

You cannot convince me, this makes for better games. 
It is actually hurting them. 

"Maybe I am not in touch with public discourse anymore, since I pulled the plug on social media, but LGBT skins in Halo sounds like an issue for a very small minority of people"

Multiplayer is whatever.... but it is silly.... their Armour is meant to be camouflage / military style to look like it "fits in", in the military.
Does a rainbow colored Armour do that? It breaks the "concept" or world building of the game, and injects social political points of view into a game.
Some people (majority) would rather not see that in games. They want to relax and not have stuff shoved in their face, when they are trying to play a game.

At best it is just a waste of time, to spend resources doing stuff like that.
At worse, it is off putting and hurting the game, as there are people that will actually stop playing if they see their game treated like that.
People that might have bought it, that then don't because "this is too silly" ect. 

You can argue there are people that are LBGT that want these skins ect... but they represent like 0.0001% of the buyers or something.
You likely do more harm than good here, in terms of sales ect.

Again instead of focusing on stuff like that, I would rather they spend that time fixing bugs or something... anything else that could better the game.


"Do you not see how that can be annoying to people that read the comics?"

I understand that it wasn't necessarily Insomniac's focus to stay close to the source material. If that is the story they want to tell, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to give it a shot. Maybe it works or maybe it falls flat on the face, it sounds like something that would be difficult to pull off, but I haven't played the game, so I don't know. It's not something I could get angry over. It is certainly possible that they wanted to make an "inclusive game", and it ended up sucking because of it, but there are also plenty of great games that are accused of the same.

Sticking close to the source material is not always a requirement, I am a huge fan of Mary Shelley's novel Frankenstein. The Universal movies from the 30s were extremely unfaithful and did something very different. I still enjoy them regardless, and so do many others.

"Part of the reason they are not delivering "the goods" is because of the people making choices like above.
Sweetbaby inc ect."
But isn't that PlayStation, not Xbox? As far as I can see Sweetbaby has been involved in some pretty successful PlayStation titles, and I think PlayStation fans have been very satisfied with those and the first party titles in general, judging from sales.

I really cannot see how a game like Halo Infinite not turning out better is related to some political agendas involved. Bugs, average level design, lackluster graphics held it back. Some skins that come out years later isn't the issue. If someone stops playing a game because of a rainbow skin, they are just limiting themselves from enjoying good things because of irrelevent details. 



Vinther1991 said:
JRPGfan said:

You have horrible writers that want LGBT+ representation and so they change lore to suit their case.
And make up some weird Love interest between two characters that actually hate/dislike one another.... because you want more gay representation ingame.

Do you not see how that can be annoying to people that read the comics?

As far as I know.... Logan is just a "straight" male.
Him having a romantic past with Saber tooth is crazy.
(also one is a serial killer (that has even killed a logans Girlfriend at one point) and the other is supposed to be the good guy)
(they are kinda alike, both suffer with rage.... and one controls it and funnels it into something positive... the other one not so much)

He is supposed to be the bad guy. Not the normal'ish guy, that used to be a past romantic love interest thingy.


"To me the big Xbox franchises still very much focus on the dude-bro audience. Which is fine, if they actually delivered the goods."

Part of the reason they are not delivering "the goods" is because of the people making choices like above.
Sweetbaby inc ect.  

You cannot convince me, this makes for better games. 
It is actually hurting them. 

"Maybe I am not in touch with public discourse anymore, since I pulled the plug on social media, but LGBT skins in Halo sounds like an issue for a very small minority of people"

Multiplayer is whatever.... but it is silly.... their Armour is meant to be camouflage / military style to look like it "fits in", in the military.
Does a rainbow colored Armour do that? It breaks the "concept" or world building of the game, and injects social political points of view into a game.
Some people (majority) would rather not see that in games. They want to relax and not have stuff shoved in their face, when they are trying to play a game.

At best it is just a waste of time, to spend resources doing stuff like that.
At worse, it is off putting and hurting the game, as there are people that will actually stop playing if they see their game treated like that.
People that might have bought it, that then don't because "this is too silly" ect. 

You can argue there are people that are LBGT that want these skins ect... but they represent like 0.0001% of the buyers or something.
You likely do more harm than good here, in terms of sales ect.

Again instead of focusing on stuff like that, I would rather they spend that time fixing bugs or something... anything else that could better the game.


"Do you not see how that can be annoying to people that read the comics?"

I understand that it wasn't necessarily Insomniac's focus to stay close to the source material. If that is the story they want to tell, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to give it a shot. Maybe it works or maybe it falls flat on the face, it sounds like something that would be difficult to pull off, but I haven't played the game, so I don't know. It's not something I could get angry over. It is certainly possible that they wanted to make an "inclusive game", and it ended up sucking because of it, but there are also plenty of great games that are accused of the same.

Sticking close to the source material is not always a requirement, I am a huge fan of Mary Shelley's novel Frankenstein. The Universal movies from the 30s were extremely unfaithful and did something very different. I still enjoy them regardless, and so do many others.

"Part of the reason they are not delivering "the goods" is because of the people making choices like above.
Sweetbaby inc ect."
But isn't that PlayStation, not Xbox? As far as I can see Sweetbaby has been involved in some pretty successful PlayStation titles, and I think PlayStation fans have been very satisfied with those and the first party titles in general, judging from sales.

I really cannot see how a game like Halo Infinite not turning out better is related to some political agendas involved. Bugs, average level design, lackluster graphics held it back. Some skins that come out years later isn't the issue. If someone stops playing a game because of a rainbow skin, they are just limiting themselves from enjoying good things because of irrelevent details. 

Xbox has alot of Sweetbaby inc stuff too.
These consultants of diversity and inclusion are hurting games everywhere.
For the most part.... eastern devs seem to not care as much (mainly the Chinese).

"As far as I can see Sweetbaby has been involved in some pretty successful PlayStation titles"

a broken watch is right a few times a day as well..... that is more happenstance than anything.
The majority of the time, these consultants hurt games more than they help them (imo).

"I really cannot see how a game like Halo Infinite not turning out better is related to some political agendas involved."

HR and Hiring practices. 
Its like a cult that only hires others like minded. 
Ei. woke/lib/LGBT+/odd pronons ect./ Toxic positivity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLHzY5kyEg

"Bugs, average level design, lackluster graphics held it back. Some skins that come out years later isn't the issue. If someone stops playing a game because of a rainbow skin, they are just limiting themselves from enjoying good things because of irrelevent details. "

It is a symptom of the problem that there are rainbow flag skins.

It comes down to who you hire.

The ones that push this agenda.... are more interested in pushing a agenda, than making a great game.
That often turns out true. The more of these types you have in a studio, the higher chances the game turns out crap.
Same with Sweetbaby inc involvement in the games. The more they do and influence, the worse the game.

That is why Steam has a Sweetbaby inc detected list.

Humans see paterns.

If something repeated happens when sweetbaby inc is there,.... you go
"huh? this game must such because of them or their influence (or the people that allowed them to affect the game)"

 



Logan has been implied to have a thing for Cyclops for decades. Oh the right wing bigotry strikes again scared of two guys fucking. Consultation firms are a good idea. They don't tell devs what to do. Just let them know if something will be an issue. Ocarina of Time,Kakuto Chojin situations would not have happened has firms like that existed then. It would have helped Nintendo to not have an Inkling telling people to fuck off in Mario Kart with a hand gesture. But the scared right wingers think oh no, they made my games gay! Will someone please think of the children! 

Last edited by Leynos - 6 hours ago

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