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Xxain said:
angrypoolman said:

this is an excuse. is the argument that people would buy it because its star fox 64 and not a new star fox? it still could have easily just been its own game. there was zero point in making it star fox 64.

Remove Star Fox 64; There are no other universally loved Star Fox games. I understand why they're remaking it. They could have just ignored every other Star Fox and just made a direct sequel to Star Fox 64, but that would alienate people who never played the first one. Considering Fox was in the Mario movie, They are using that as a strike when the flame is hot type move; "Lets reintroduce Star Fox to a whole new crowd with the only game we know everybody likes"

you could basically remake starfox 64 without remaking starfox 64. just literally make the same game but make different levels. thats all it would take. they nearly went all the way in making an awesome new starfox game that people would actually like but instead they just remade the levels from starfox 64. it is genuinely baffling. 



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Leynos said:
angrypoolman said:

this is an excuse. is the argument that people would buy it because its star fox 64 and not a new star fox? it still could have easily just been its own game. there was zero point in making it star fox 64.

It's to get devs used to tools/engine hardware with a smaller project. So the devs of this tears Star Fox probably working on a larger game. This has become fairly common practice in more recent years as development becomes more complex.

ok but still, why couldnt they have made new levels? all it would have requried was someone with imagination to design new levels that are similar to starfox 64 but not actually starfox 64. to me, they already did all the hard work of making this build of the game, you cant tell me there is nobody who could have conceived of new levels and a new map. given all the work they have already put into it, this would not be a huge leap to do. 

it must be, and i alluded to this in my original post, that they think it would sell more or be more marketable as a starfox 64 remake as opposed to its own game. but if thats the case, why isn't the "64" in the title? its almost as if they are trying to pass this off as a brand new game to the general consumer but still lean on the fact that its a remake of our favorite star fox game to those of us who played it 30 years ago. the whole thing is convoluted and doesn't make any sense. just make some new damn levels, put a little bit of love into it, and throw that bone to your core fans. Lord knows you have the money to do it.



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angrypoolman said:
Leynos said:

It's to get devs used to tools/engine hardware with a smaller project. So the devs of this tears Star Fox probably working on a larger game. This has become fairly common practice in more recent years as development becomes more complex.

ok but still, why couldnt they have made new levels? all it would have requried was someone with imagination to design new levels that are similar to starfox 64 but not actually starfox 64. to me, they already did all the hard work of making this build of the game, you cant tell me there is nobody who could have conceived of new levels and a new map. given all the work they have already put into it, this would not be a huge leap to do. 

it must be, and i alluded to this in my original post, that they think it would sell more or be more marketable as a starfox 64 remake as opposed to its own game. but if thats the case, why isn't the "64" in the title? its almost as if they are trying to pass this off as a brand new game to the general consumer but still lean on the fact that its a remake of our favorite star fox game to those of us who played it 30 years ago. the whole thing is convoluted and doesn't make any sense. just make some new damn levels, put a little bit of love into it, and throw that bone to your core fans. Lord knows you have the money to do it.

You’re only speaking for yourself, there. The vast majority of people aren’t having problems with this.



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Jumpin said:
angrypoolman said:

ok but still, why couldnt they have made new levels? all it would have requried was someone with imagination to design new levels that are similar to starfox 64 but not actually starfox 64. to me, they already did all the hard work of making this build of the game, you cant tell me there is nobody who could have conceived of new levels and a new map. given all the work they have already put into it, this would not be a huge leap to do. 

it must be, and i alluded to this in my original post, that they think it would sell more or be more marketable as a starfox 64 remake as opposed to its own game. but if thats the case, why isn't the "64" in the title? its almost as if they are trying to pass this off as a brand new game to the general consumer but still lean on the fact that its a remake of our favorite star fox game to those of us who played it 30 years ago. the whole thing is convoluted and doesn't make any sense. just make some new damn levels, put a little bit of love into it, and throw that bone to your core fans. Lord knows you have the money to do it.

You’re only speaking for yourself, there. The vast majority of people aren’t having problems with this.

Useless input. Who else could i possibly speak for other than myself? Isnt the point of making an account and posting on the forums to represent your view of things? I expect your next reply to have a substantial increase in quality. Dont waste our time with nonsense.



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angrypoolman said:
Jumpin said:

You’re only speaking for yourself, there. The vast majority of people aren’t having problems with this.

Useless input. 

Yes that's how all your posts are seen in this thread.



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Xxain said:
angrypoolman said:

this is an excuse. is the argument that people would buy it because its star fox 64 and not a new star fox? it still could have easily just been its own game. there was zero point in making it star fox 64.

Remove Star Fox 64; There are no other universally loved Star Fox games. I understand why they're remaking it. They could have just ignored every other Star Fox and just made a direct sequel to Star Fox 64, but that would alienate people who never played the first one. Considering Fox was in the Mario movie, They are using that as a strike when the flame is hot type move; "Lets reintroduce Star Fox to a whole new crowd with the only game we know everybody likes"

I don't think this is true. Star fox lore isn't that dense and they can also just reboot it with an entirely original game without references to 64.

I'm with Angrypoolman in that they could of easily just made an original starfox game although this is a fair bit cheaper to do and easier to outsource. 



Otter said:
Xxain said:

Remove Star Fox 64; There are no other universally loved Star Fox games. I understand why they're remaking it. They could have just ignored every other Star Fox and just made a direct sequel to Star Fox 64, but that would alienate people who never played the first one. Considering Fox was in the Mario movie, They are using that as a strike when the flame is hot type move; "Lets reintroduce Star Fox to a whole new crowd with the only game we know everybody likes"

I don't think this is true. Star fox lore isn't that dense and they can also just reboot it with an entirely original game without references to 64.

I'm with Angrypoolman in that they could of easily just made an original starfox game although this is a fair bit cheaper to do and easier to outsource. 

I think the remake in the case of Star Fox was a bit of a test. Testing the developer to see what they could do and testing the market to see if there are interest in the IP. Both seems to have succeeded. Im sure a brand new game in the franchise is in development. It might even have been for a while.



Leynos said:
angrypoolman said:

Useless input. 

Yes that's how all your posts are seen in this thread.

This actually was not the response i was expecting at all. I was expecting one that says my posts across the entire site are useless. That is disappointing.



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KLXVER said:
Otter said:

I don't think this is true. Star fox lore isn't that dense and they can also just reboot it with an entirely original game without references to 64.

I'm with Angrypoolman in that they could of easily just made an original starfox game although this is a fair bit cheaper to do and easier to outsource. 

I think the remake in the case of Star Fox was a bit of a test. Testing the developer to see what they could do and testing the market to see if there are interest in the IP. Both seems to have succeeded. Im sure a brand new game in the franchise is in development. It might even have been for a while.

I don't like the testing the IP thing because there are plenty of core fans that simply don't want to replay the same game for the 3rd time lol. Although in Starfox's case its fair that they have a huge new audience from Switch and new generations who weren't gaming on the 3DS when that remake was released. The rayman Legends Remake is a bit more frustrating to me since that is on PS4/Switch and plays perfectly only PS5/Switch 2, as a Rayman/Platformer fan I'm just not interested in going back to legends despite wanting a new game in the series (3D ideally)... I'll give Nintendo a pass with StarFox as the last entries are stuck on the 3DS and Wii U.



Otter said:
Xxain said:

Remove Star Fox 64; There are no other universally loved Star Fox games. I understand why they're remaking it. They could have just ignored every other Star Fox and just made a direct sequel to Star Fox 64, but that would alienate people who never played the first one. Considering Fox was in the Mario movie, They are using that as a strike when the flame is hot type move; "Lets reintroduce Star Fox to a whole new crowd with the only game we know everybody likes"

I don't think this is true. Star fox lore isn't that dense and they can also just reboot it with an entirely original game without references to 64.

I'm with Angrypoolman in that they could of easily just made an original starfox game although this is a fair bit cheaper to do and easier to outsource. 

Exactly what im trying to say. It wouldnt be that hard to just... make new levels. They already did most of the hard work why not go all the way with it? Theyre not even advertising it as Star Fox 64, they just call it "Star Fox." Its almost as if they're trying to get away with something. 



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