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CaptainExplosion said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I'm not taking a side here but I have to agree with Trump, it's a good thing. He done it in less than half a day, no long drawn up war for oil in the middle east. He got his oil quick and fast, clean, few casualties, no losses on his side. Just absolutely fascinating. I can see why you'd be mad at this for future precedent, but stand back for a second and see how much of an incredible feat this was. It could have been a war that could last week, months, years, troops on the ground. He just snatched the lader and moved in. It's mind boggling. If he does this with Canada, nah, it's not happening, that's WW3 and same for Greenland, it's more China attempting Taiwan after seeing this as a go ahead, we do what we want now.... not that they will be able and the Americans will have them fucked a few days after they try. 

There's too big of a chance he'll invade Canada.

You think the world will let that happen without severe repercussions? These do not equate. Maybe Greenland... maybe but that's still allies. 

This is no different the Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia etc. It was just done in the open, saying we are here for the oil, no years long war. Again, I find it fascinating. This may usher a new era of how things like this are done, surgical jobs without the lies and the bullshit, the false flags, proxy wars and the civilian casualties. There are always going to be unstable nations that a super power will need to subjugate (and steal their oil/resources), keep in line and turn the population to that nations own way of life. It gets worse as super powers start to corrode, usually they go after the nations that border them but it's the same throughout history. It'll happen as long as humanity exists and has borders. 

I can't see how this is not a good thing. Trump was gonna pull a Bush and go in there, get the oil and it would have been a mess but they managed it in a clean surgically precise couple of hours. No years long suffering. No generations of people who'll grow up to hate the USA. No destabalisation that'll cause future mass migration. The world today is better off than it was Yesterday. Venezuela is better off than it was Yesterday. Maduro is the one who is having a bad day and fuck that guy. 



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LegitHyperbole said:
CaptainExplosion said:

There's too big of a chance he'll invade Canada.

You think the world will let that happen without severe repercussions? These do not equate. Maybe Greenland... maybe but that's still allies. 

This is no different the Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia etc. It was just done in the open, saying we are here for the oil, no years long war. Again, I find it fascinating. This may usher a new era of how things like this are done, surgical jobs without the lies and the bullshit, the false flags, proxy wars and the civilian casualties. There are always going to be unstable nations that a super power will need to subjugate (and steal their oil/resources), keep in line and turn the population to that nations own way of life. It gets worse as super powers start to corrode, usually they go after the nations that border them but it's the same throughout history. It'll happen as long as humanity exists and has borders. 

I can't see how this is not a good thing. Trump was gonna pull a Bush and go in there, get the oil and it would have been a mess but they managed it in a clean surgically precise couple of hours. No years long suffering. No generations of people who'll grow up to hate the USA. No destabalisation that'll cause future mass migration. The world today is better off than it was Yesterday. Venezuela is better off than it was Yesterday. Maduro is the one who is having a bad day and fuck that guy. 

Who is going to stop Trump from taking Canada. Europe is fleet would not even survive the trip over the Atlantic. Canada itself has little to defend itself against the US. Also US is MAGA Trump and those folks already are no longer an ally of EU, see the National Security paper and EU is reaction to it. The US and EU at best see eachother as useful idiots. The only ally they would lose over Canada are maybe Australia and UK. Still not saying that he will, but I really doubt the world will react.

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LegitHyperbole said:

Has anything in modern history every happened like that? Like has any leader ever kidnapped another leader just out in the open, no black ops, no false flags, no intelligence agency ops to topple the country from within, just a straight up kidnapping. This is absolutely fascinating.

Have been so many occassions that it certainly could have happened but their have been around 40-70 US involvment cases in Latin America alone, sometimes economic pressure worked.  Did not always end well. Chile was one of the worst examples.

In Africa it worked also well, a lot of Eu colonies got their freedom because of US interference.






Qwark said:
LegitHyperbole said:

You think the world will let that happen without severe repercussions? These do not equate. Maybe Greenland... maybe but that's still allies. 

This is no different the Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia etc. It was just done in the open, saying we are here for the oil, no years long war. Again, I find it fascinating. This may usher a new era of how things like this are done, surgical jobs without the lies and the bullshit, the false flags, proxy wars and the civilian casualties. There are always going to be unstable nations that a super power will need to subjugate (and steal their oil/resources), keep in line and turn the population to that nations own way of life. It gets worse as super powers start to corrode, usually they go after the nations that border them but it's the same throughout history. It'll happen as long as humanity exists and has borders. 

I can't see how this is not a good thing. Trump was gonna pull a Bush and go in there, get the oil and it would have been a mess but they managed it in a clean surgically precise couple of hours. No years long suffering. No generations of people who'll grow up to hate the USA. No destabalisation that'll cause future mass migration. The world today is better off than it was Yesterday. Venezuela is better off than it was Yesterday. Maduro is the one who is having a bad day and fuck that guy. 

Who is going to stop Trump from taking Canada. Europe is fleet would not even survive the trip over the Atlantic. Canada itself has little to defend itself against the US. Also US is MAGA Trump and those folks already are no longer an ally of EU, see the National Security paper and EU is reaction to it. The US and EU at best see eachother as useful idiots. The only ally they would lose over Canada are maybe Australia and UK. Still not saying that he will, but I really doubt the world will react.

^This. Canada really needs to up it's defenses against Adolf Tariff.



Qwark said:
LegitHyperbole said:

You think the world will let that happen without severe repercussions? These do not equate. Maybe Greenland... maybe but that's still allies. 

This is no different the Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia etc. It was just done in the open, saying we are here for the oil, no years long war. Again, I find it fascinating. This may usher a new era of how things like this are done, surgical jobs without the lies and the bullshit, the false flags, proxy wars and the civilian casualties. There are always going to be unstable nations that a super power will need to subjugate (and steal their oil/resources), keep in line and turn the population to that nations own way of life. It gets worse as super powers start to corrode, usually they go after the nations that border them but it's the same throughout history. It'll happen as long as humanity exists and has borders. 

I can't see how this is not a good thing. Trump was gonna pull a Bush and go in there, get the oil and it would have been a mess but they managed it in a clean surgically precise couple of hours. No years long suffering. No generations of people who'll grow up to hate the USA. No destabalisation that'll cause future mass migration. The world today is better off than it was Yesterday. Venezuela is better off than it was Yesterday. Maduro is the one who is having a bad day and fuck that guy. 

Who is going to stop Trump from taking Canada. Europe is fleet would not even survive the trip over the Atlantic. Canada itself has little to defend itself against the US. Also US is MAGA Trump and those folks already are no longer an ally of EU, see the National Security paper and EU is reaction to it. The US and EU at best see eachother as useful idiots. The only ally they would lose over Canada are maybe Australia and UK. Still not saying that he will, but I really doubt the world will react.

No one to trade with lol. The entire world would shut the US off at their own peril. The world would react, cause everyone in the developed world would feel threatened and scared. 



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LegitHyperbole said:
Qwark said:

Who is going to stop Trump from taking Canada. Europe is fleet would not even survive the trip over the Atlantic. Canada itself has little to defend itself against the US. Also US is MAGA Trump and those folks already are no longer an ally of EU, see the National Security paper and EU is reaction to it. The US and EU at best see eachother as useful idiots. The only ally they would lose over Canada are maybe Australia and UK. Still not saying that he will, but I really doubt the world will react.

No one to trade with lol. The entire world would shut the US off at their own peril. The world would react, cause everyone in the developed world would feel threatened and scared. 

Will those countries suddenly stop using Microsoft, Google or AI or products from Nvidia or AMD. A lot of American companies don't even produce their things in America, making trade boycotts hars.

Europe also can't afford to cut off American Energy since they need a shit ton of LNG to keep the lights on. So for better or worse whilst the US would definitely hit a trade and Tourism decline, the world is too dependent on the US to cut them off.

Which is why when Trump takes over Greenland and possibly Canada, again not saying that he will most of Canada's allies hands are bound. Europe also can't send their full force, or they can say their goodbye to the Baltics and possibly Romania, Moldova, Hungary and Slovakia, the last two will not even bother to put up defences.

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konnichiwa said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Has anything in modern history every happened like that? Like has any leader ever kidnapped another leader just out in the open, no black ops, no false flags, no intelligence agency ops to topple the country from within, just a straight up kidnapping. This is absolutely fascinating.

Have been so many occassions that it certainly could have happened but their have been around 40-70 US involvment cases in Latin America alone, sometimes economic pressure worked.  Did not always end well. Chile was one of the worst examples.

In Africa it worked also well, a lot of Eu colonies got their freedom because of US interference.

So this is easily the best approach anyone has ever taken. They got what they want and only the person everyone despises is any worse for it. Most people are better. I'm not sure if Venezuelans got hurt, I'm sure a few did but still, they are soldiers, that's their duty. No less a marvel. All my life I spent watching the US go into other countries knowing it's to do this job but just lying and failing and keeping the war economy propped up. This is a wonder. I don't understand how people seeing a war and severe loss of life is a bad thing. Will it work twice... hmm. 



LegitHyperbole said:
konnichiwa said:

Have been so many occassions that it certainly could have happened but their have been around 40-70 US involvment cases in Latin America alone, sometimes economic pressure worked.  Did not always end well. Chile was one of the worst examples.

In Africa it worked also well, a lot of Eu colonies got their freedom because of US interference.

So this is easily the best approach anyone has ever taken. They got what they want and only the person everyone despises is any worse for it. Most people are better. I'm not sure if Venezuelans got hurt, I'm sure a few did but still, they are soldiers, that's their duty. No less a marvel. All my life I spent watching the US go into other countries knowing it's to do this job but just lying and failing and keeping the war economy propped up. This is a wonder. I don't understand how people seeing a war and severe loss of life is a bad thing. Will it work twice... hmm. 

The problem some will see is that US will probably try to permanently claim the right to win oil in Venezuela, especially offshore. Cutting of Venezuela and the Venezuelan people from any profits whatsoever. On the other hand claiming Venezuela is resources somehow will do so sees for the US economy, even if it's only the offshore ones.

The US can use it's military to pressure the region enough that they to sign a deal in which they take a lot of losses, basically giving away the resources for free, in exchange for not being bombed. Or sorry being liberated (of life) is the more appropriate way to put it.

The Orinoco heavy oil belt, will be difficult to extract, without fully ruling Venezuela. However subtracting oil, beneath the Lago de Maracaibo will be easier, because its more defendable with warships.

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Gotta hand it to Trump, starting a war you can then end is a pretty genius way to up his number of wars stopped in his quest for a peace prize. Let’s add it to the list.

Venezuela vs US
Russia vs Ukraine
Israel vs Palestinians
Israel vs Iran
Dutch Portuguese War
Pakistan vs India
Rwanda vs DRC
Infinity Wars
Thailand vs Cambodia
Wizards vs Muggles
Federation vs Klingons
Armenia vs Azerbaijan
War of the Ring
American Revolution
Egypt vs Ethiopia
Serbia vs Kosovo

If you ignore the fact that the only real war on this list is still going, and the real life conflicts on the rest of the list are almost entirely still going, it’s an impressive list. He’s got that prize in the bag.



konnichiwa said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Has anything in modern history every happened like that? Like has any leader ever kidnapped another leader just out in the open, no black ops, no false flags, no intelligence agency ops to topple the country from within, just a straight up kidnapping. This is absolutely fascinating.

Have been so many occassions that it certainly could have happened but their have been around 40-70 US involvment cases in Latin America alone, sometimes economic pressure worked.  Did not always end well. Chile was one of the worst examples.

In Africa it worked also well, a lot of Eu colonies got their freedom because of US interference.

Bolded: What US interference are you talking about here? The only one I'm aware of is in the Congo, and that was an international effort.