But the female characters are the female fantasy. Problem with Leia and Padme is that they're side characters. Rey on the other hand is Elsa in Star Wars universe. People like Leia and Padme because they're believable.

Whether you like damsell in distress or not, female fantasy is that someone who they love will save them just like male fantasy is to be the hero.

I don't think anybody is against inclusion when it fits the storyline. People are against forced inclusion where the story is force fit around politics.

Nobody was upset over Samus or Aloy.

The thing is its stupid though.
85%+ of their audience for these IPs were males.

This is like Mattel that make Barbie dolls, suddenly going on whatever the reverse of a feminist trip would be... Imagine a man takes over Mattel, and he hates women.... so he says, we won't make Barbie dolls that are Female in form.

Kids will just have to learn to play with male barbie dolls.... from now on, its just Ken. It's "kenough". 
Don't like it? You sexist monster! teach your kid to play with male dolls!

Then if anyone says anything about it on the internet, you get replies from defenders that go "I don't understand why people are offended!"


 
"When you act like Star Wars is "supposed" to be targeted towards men, that's a problem. "

Gender rolls are real.
If I told you a story was about Mid-evil Knights, that have swords of light, that run around decapitating one another.... in space, on big space ships.
Its a story about good vs evil, honor and doing the right thing. 

You don't automatically think "Wow the women love stories like that, I bet it will be a big hit with the ladies!".

Lets not be stupid about this.
Yes Starwars is 100% ment to be for the guys.
That is okay.

There are plenty of things that target women, that guys don't enjoy.
Why is it bad that guys have their own thing?

Women don't need to be the ones fighting to be worthy of looking up too.
I think your downplaying Leia and Padme's roll in the story and the impact they have.

Rey is a feminist power trip gone wrong, and should not be a roll model imo.

Also "No woman in the world looks up to those characters and goes like "she's awesome, I wanna be like her".

Have you never seen cosplay?
Also plenty of women actually like the idea of the damsel in distress and a strong man showing up to save them from their troubles.
There's tons of love stories that sell very well to women, based on that concept.

Again a topic is about Guys feeling that they have had their thing trashed by Disney.
Reguardless of how much defense force, allies here run for them everytime a topic is about this stuff.....
the end results in the real world, are less guys watching this crap, and less money made by Disney.

I feel like certain people are off tracking the topic here, trying to play defense.

You clearly did not understand what I am saying.

There is a difference between the concern being that you don't have enough content for you, and when you have to go out of your way to exclude other people.  

I'm not sure how many ways I can say that.

And again, this is what I'm talking about. 

You guys for some bizarre reason want to go out of your way to being stepped on.  

A bad sequel is probably just a bad sequel, but instead you guys want to imagine a universe where the film makers got together to collectively hate you.  

Execs frequently want to expand their userbase, and a lot of times that means appealing to people that they currently don't. That doesn't mean that they despise the old fanbase - and it certainly can happen that they make a misstep and end up losing both their user base and the people they're trying to expand appeal to. 

But that's not the same thing as hating their user base. 

Yeah, because women didn't watch Game of Thrones, and they don't watch Star Wars. 

Gender roles are largely a cultural invention, that shifts. Plenty of female dominated things used to be male dominated things, and vice versa.

There are several surveys that show that the fanbase of Star Wars is about 60/40.  40% are women.

https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2024-06-12-the-demographics-of-star-wars-fans/

I mean... I guess part of our disagreement stems from reading the room differently.  This kind of overinflated proportionality to these complaints just doesn't ring as genuine - aside from the most radical of responses.  Most people rebuking Disney Wars aren't mentally framing this as a mini-9/11 or whatever, but rather directly responding the elephant in the room.  To see why Disney's lost their influence with this particular market just look at the slop they've recently made.

Not quite.  Let me clarify: that GL quote is really a fusion of sentiments he's shared before.  I was using some creative license to reflect how I interpret his quotes: the broader mythical tale is consumable for all ages, but his biggest focus was the pre-teen boy audience.  This is reflected by both word and deed.  I vaguely recall a story about GL interviewing child psychologists to see how they'd handle the darker tone in Empire Strikes Back, for example.

I think you're missing the point.  I'm less concerned about it being "dismissive of men" and more about showcasing a peculiar contrast.  It's like the perfect representation of Disney's fundamental disregard for GL's creative drive & ethos; even his fictional cosmic energy field can't avoid being roped into a silly gender tagline.  To be clear: labeling The Force as either male or female is stupid and reductive.   

Disney should buy the rights to 50 Shades of Grey and continue the franchise in their image...

That's just centuries of misogyny being fed straight into your brain.

That's just human nature. When you let men and women or boys and girls choose their roles, that's what they choose.

I didn't quite understand how what I said have anything to do with misogyny? I even pointed out the behaviour or both sexes, not just women.

I think it's misogyny because the two roles aren't equal. And my basis for thinking that the two roles aren't equal is that women seem to have happily taken over some of these more masculine roles while men rarely are willing to take over in the other direction. It seems pretty common to me that men that laud the roles that women once took as standard (like staying in the home and taking care of the kids) say that those are really important and great roles, but never appear to want to do them. 

Describing both roles doesn't necessitate a lack of misogyny if one roll is superior to the other.