Thanks appreciate it. I stand corrected then. Still a big gap though. 

Yes. I meant she won on the 18-24 age group 

For the latin group in question, I believe the absolute majority of the latin voters are not actually naturalized citizens. There is around 8 million naturalized latin americans, while there is 43 million US-born latin-americans 

Sounds to me latin american who went to Trump are in the group of single-issue voters. They are catholic (the second largest statical group to swing right, second the the aforementioned latin men). Since there is a relatively strong connection between latin americans and catholic Americans, and both groups swing right in similar proportion is reasonable to assume they are the same group 

I don't believe this group perceived other latins are evil who want to destroy the country, a non insignificant number of latin US born Americans are in fact children of illegal immigrants

But one thing they really hate with passion is the more secular and liberal culture the dominated the USA media in the last few years. For them LGBT community, specially trans community, feminism, woke culture, Yada Yada are all harmful and they want a leader to take care of them and vanish with the woke mob 

This is the by far the most vile and despicable group of republican voters, and oh boy there are TONS of them. At least a big enough number to push states with huge latin communities even more to the right and give the Republicans, for the first time since the 2004, a win on public vote

A lot of what you are saying makes sense. But I do need to add some things. 

The original US Christianity is a mostly protestant take, not Catholic. We had many wars here in Europe because of that difference. I'm not sure the Latin Catholic take would mean a natural alliance with US bound Christian believes.

Low information and stupid are not equivalent.  Absurd people now want to move the goal posts.  

And what people get back on SS is more than they paid in because that makes sense, because money grows overtime and inflation is real.  But my point stands, SS isn't a handout.  It is funded by the people who pay into the program.  My house isn't a handout when I pay a monthly mortgage.

Terms of handout programs via you polls, depends on who was asked on how the question was framed.  Whem I say those programs aren't popular  I'm referring in the context already established with middle America.  The average middle class in TN aren't SNAP proponents.  

The biggest issue I have is trump gained millions of votes.  Harris lost millions of votes.  For tbe first time, in a while, Republicans took the popular vote.  They picked up seats in the senate and house.  Tbey took more governors...  and the overwhelming majority in this thread think the rationale is "dumb people."  That is such a white wash piss poor view on what happened, not too mention sophomoric and completely lacks any intelligent discussion on liberals struggling with appeal to middle America.

And of course it is equally frustrating because when I said all this last year I was basically told I was wrong by everyone when it came to policy appeal and my thoughts liberals were in trouble were criticized....  yet, huh I was basically the only one who saw the election results coming.

Seeing people be so wrong in 2024 doubling down and do so in an elitist condescending and rude manner is intolerable.

You seem to be the only one even open to questioning the situation.  I'm happy to continue this in PM, but this thread is a waste of my time.  I don't need to read another dozen comments insisting "dumb" is why harris didnt win.  It is far more than that.  Sad part is I think (deep down) you know it. 

And ill informed and dumb aren't the same thing.  Crystallized knowledge and IQ aren't the same thing.  

How anybody thinks liberals don't have a platform, communication and appeal issue truly baffles my mind.  

Uninformed and dumb is absolutely not the same thing.

During the 2024 campaign, Trump worked his ass of to let everybody know what he was going to do. Rallies, Podcast, Interviews. He was repeating the same thing ever and ever and ever, then repeating it some more. No one would be 'Uninformed' what Trump was going to do. Love or Hate it, people cannot complain of being 'Uninformed' on Trump's policies.

But how 'Uninformed' where the voters on what the competition was going to do to make peoples lives better? The Democrats? What was their message?

1) 'Orange man bad' ... ahh what else?
2) In an Interview where Kamala was asked if 'what she be doing different to Biden': No Answer. While Biden approval rating was in the gutter because of inflation.

No doubt the Democrats would have some good idea's. But the average spectator would not remember any of them. If we are talking 'Uninformed voters', should we not talk about the absolutely royal F-up the Dems did to even try to communicate that. No wonder voters where 'Uninformed'. The Dems did a shitty job informing them.

Kamala talked a lot about policy. Yeah, she criticized Trump (because obviously), but she talked a lot about policy. 

As for the inflation stuff, blaming that on Biden was also pretty stupid.

Kamala did talk a lot about policy, but around the end of August/beginnning of September 2024 right wing media pushed the narrative that Kamala has no policies while Trump does have them. So whenever someone says that the Democrats didn't talk about policies during the campaign, you know you are dealing with someone who has been caught in a right wing bubble, because the best option to form your own opinion is to just watch the candidates' speeches raw.

The Democrats had actual policy proposals to help the middle and working classes while Trump's "policy" was nothing more than "we'll bring prices down and we'll do it immediately." At no point did any Republican explain how that's going to work, hence why it was no surprise that Trump eventually conceded after his inauguration that it's not possible to bring prices down, just like he conceded during his first term that health care is more complicated than he had assumed.

You have to work for it. Number of Rallies, number of interviews, doing interviews on all channels, doing podcasts on anywhere possible. When Biden was still on the ballot he did not nearly do enough of those and when they switched to Kamala, she didn't either. They got outworked. You need to be everywhere all the time to reach as many people as possible.

Foodstamps have a favorability rating of 70 % (including 53 % among republicans) with only 15 % opposing.

https://www.fmi.org/docs/default-source/facts-about-snap-toolkit/fmi-national-snap-survey_05-07-25.pdf?sfvrsn=edefdedd_1

Medicaid has a favorability rating of 83 %

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-views-of-the-one-big-beautiful-bill/

Harris got 6,265,888 votes less than Joe Biden.

So are you just lying or are you yourself misinformed?

"Not aligning with the candidate and not loving liberal policies does explain it."

What is that supposed to mean? Did Biden not run on a liberal platform?

What we can conclude is that most republicans do support the key social programs/hand-outs, yet voted for a guy who would obviously cut these programs and increase the government hand-outs to Elon Musk and Peter Thiel.

Project 2025 had a 13 % approval rating, the administration is following it 1:1, but somehow managed to convince people pre-election that it had nothing to do with Trump's actual policy, nobody is denying it does now.

In 2016 Trump ran on bringing manufacturing back, didn't happen, then in 2024 he ran on bringing prices down, the opposite is happening.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a thousand times - hand me a MAGA hat!

Not at all, honest mistake.  Original data was 81 million to 69 million, which is 12 million.  But the data has been since updated to 75 million, thus the accurate number is 6 million, not 12 million.  I am happy to accept the correction.

As for the rest...  agree to disagree. I am not buying the wonderful messaging, fantastic and well supported platform...  and losing at every single level of government.  People weren't any dumber in 2024 than they were in 2020.  It is a nonsensical explanation that reeks of folks on VG being sheep that just accept what their party says with zero independent thought.