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zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

How we got here doesn't change the fact we are here.  Middle America doesn't like handouts.  What was Reagan's famous words?  something like the scariest words in the english language is "we are the government and are here to help."  Fact is handouts, with middle americans, haven't been popular in 40 years.  

Except, they still largely are popular. Medicaid is popular, Medicare is popular, ACA subsidies are popular, Social Security is popular, child tax credit is popular, food stamps are popular, unemployment insurance is popular, having a minimum wage is popular, disability insurance is popular, Pell Grants are popular, school meal programs are popular, crop insurance is popular, small business grants are popular, FHA loans are popular, etc. 

People are fine with getting assistance because they believe themselves to be hard workers who pay into the system, therefore deserving of it. At the same time, they have been conditioned to believe there is a large number of freeloaders, taking advantage of the system and stealing the benefits from the hard workers.

Middle America loves receiving handouts, they don’t like people they feel are beneath them receiving benefits and use “bootstrap” mentality to justify why they deserve them but others don’t.

SS and Medicare are not handouts.  Most people pay into those programs their entire careers and simply get a portion of their money back.  

Food stamps are not popular nor is medicaid.  Most middle Americans have no issues gutting those programs.  

We will have to agree to disagree because we clearly live in two different words.

And none that changes the fact that 12,000,000 people chose not to endorse Harris....  "because stupid" doesn't explain that massive drop out.  Not aligning with the candidate and not loving liberal policies does explain it. 

I mean how many swing states did harris pickup?  None?  Oh, but that darn Electoral College...  oh wait, she lost the popular vote too.  

Conclusion, the platform is loved isn't logical, full stop.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 18 August 2025

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