Sydney Sweeney does an ad for jeans, media throws a hissy fit

[Chrkeller]

zorg1000 said:

Chrkeller said:

SS and Medicare are not handouts.  Most people pay into those programs their entire careers and simply get a portion of their money back.  

Food stamps are not popular nor is medicaid.  Most middle Americans have no issues gutting those programs.  

We will have to agree to disagree because we clearly live in two different words.

And none that changes the fact that 12,000,000 people chose not to endorse Harris....  "because stupid" doesn't explain that massive drop out.  

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-finding/7-charts-about-public-opinion-on-medicaid/

https://www.fmi.org/blog/view/fmi-blog/2025/05/12/americans-broadly-support-snap-and-oppose-significant-reductions

https://www.fah.org/blog/icymi-overwhelming-voter-opposition-to-medicaid-cuts/

https://apnews.com/article/poll-government-spending-medicare-medicaid-social-security-0ccb0538c06d715b43bbbcaa4a1348cf

Medicaid & SNAP are extremely popular.

You’re right that people pay into Medicare & Social Security, what you’re wrong about is them just getting a portion of that back. The average person collects more from these programs than they put into them.

I’m pretty sure we’ve already found common ground on whether people are stupid so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. Didn’t we just recently agree that the general population is low information voters who don’t closely follow or understand politics and largely vote based on vibes?

Low information and stupid are not equivalent.  Absurd people now want to move the goal posts.  

And what people get back on SS is more than they paid in because that makes sense, because money grows overtime and inflation is real.  But my point stands, SS isn't a handout.  It is funded by the people who pay into the program.  My house isn't a handout when I pay a monthly mortgage.

Terms of handout programs via you polls, depends on who was asked on how the question was framed.  Whem I say those programs aren't popular  I'm referring in the context already established with middle America.  The average middle class in TN aren't SNAP proponents.  

The biggest issue I have is trump gained millions of votes.  Harris lost millions of votes.  For tbe first time, in a while, Republicans took the popular vote.  They picked up seats in the senate and house.  Tbey took more governors...  and the overwhelming majority in this thread think the rationale is "dumb people."  That is such a white wash piss poor view on what happened, not too mention sophomoric and completely lacks any intelligent discussion on liberals struggling with appeal to middle America.

And of course it is equally frustrating because when I said all this last year I was basically told I was wrong by everyone when it came to policy appeal and my thoughts liberals were in trouble were criticized....  yet, huh I was basically the only one who saw the election results coming.

Seeing people be so wrong in 2024 doubling down and do so in an elitist condescending and rude manner is intolerable.

You seem to be the only one even open to questioning the situation.  I'm happy to continue this in PM, but this thread is a waste of my time.  I don't need to read another dozen comments insisting "dumb" is why harris didnt win.  It is far more than that.  Sad part is I think (deep down) you know it. 

And ill informed and dumb aren't the same thing.  Crystallized knowledge and IQ aren't the same thing.  

How anybody thinks liberals don't have a platform, communication and appeal issue truly baffles my mind.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 18 August 2025