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RolStoppable said:

Gullible and stupid people usually only begin to recognize their errors when they start to really hurt them. As such, it won't matter if the Democrats can't come up with any new strategy; and they probably won't, because it's like I said, there's no reliable strategy to begin with.

Things will fix itself, we don't need to change anything..... I wonder who here is gullible and stupid.



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Jumpin said:
xl-klaudkil said:

What,they never actually said great genes, just jeans?

Lol

Fucking.

LoL
People are so stupid and on edge nowadays crying over anything just to get attention.

Is the double entendres not obvious? The ad kind spells it out by saying genes are passed down from parents to children.

And this is not exactly a new one. It’s been in jeans ads for decades. There’s literally a brand of jeans called “superior jeans”

right-wingers have a tendency to make-up leftist outrage, and they believe it bumpkins are gullible.

Noo i dont,i see jeans.

Soo what if a company thinks there jeans are superior? Thats how the world works, somerhing is always better then anotherthing, nothing can be equal.

 One person CAN have better genes then another person,its a fact.



 

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curl-6 said:

Yeah a big problem is that the left in recent years has been really bad at not distancing themselves from the extremists in their own ranks, so you get the perception that the majority of the left is those raving blue haired crazies just cos those ones are the loudest and the more sensible ones never seem to call out or condemn the radicals.

In this case, I don't think any rational person equates a smoking hot girl in jeans with Nazism, yet this message gets blasted across the internet anyway because the media hands a megaphone to the crazies and immediately it becomes a left vs right thing and everyone starts fighting for their "side" instead of stopping for a moment to think "actually, this is fucking stupid".

Really, this is something that's been going on at least since George W. Bush's presidency, if not earlier - the right have spread this idea that they're the side of free-thinking and individualism, therefore when some random conservative starts denying the holocaust or dressing up like a KKK member, they can just dismiss them as a lone bad apple. By contrast, they'd have people believe that the left are all about groupthink and don't tolerate dissenting views, and therefore any individual liberal is indicative of how all left-leaning people.

Of course, that whole myth likely got started as a way for the right to distract from how eagerly they cancelled people for speaking out against Bush or the War on Terror during his first term, but it's still a very pervasive one to this day.



Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Gullible and stupid people usually only begin to recognize their errors when they start to really hurt them. As such, it won't matter if the Democrats can't come up with any new strategy; and they probably won't, because it's like I said, there's no reliable strategy to begin with.

Things will fix itself, we don't need to change anything..... I wonder who here is gullible and stupid.

Just take a look at the polling in the USA. The Democrats have done virtually nothing of value this year, but Trump's approval rating on all major topics is negative by now. Do you give credit to the Democrats for that widespread change of heart?

Before the election it was explained ad nauseum how harmful another Trump presidency will be. Americans didn't want to believe it then. They believe it now.



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Chrkeller said:
zorg1000 said:

Yeah but like the post right before you points out, not a single democrat in office has come out and called this a racist/nazi ad.

Republicans have done a great job at convincing people that these vocal minority of online leftists represent the Democratic Party when it comes to culture war topics.

We saw this during the election last year when Republicans were able to label Democrats as caring more about trans people than other groups when Republicans talk about trans issues 1000x more than Democrats do.

Fully agreed.  Which is why, personal opinion, the strategy of democrats needs to be re-tooled.  How the left party thinks they are viewed and how they are actually viewed...  massive gap.  On the other side, the strategy for republicans is working.  Sure it is BS talking points...  but doesn't change the fact that it is working.  So I think we are aligned here, at least for the most part.  

Yeah they really need a strong rebrand, Trump’s approval is in the gutter which will help swing things in their favor but the Democratic Party as a whole has terrible approval as well so just running on “we’re not Trump” isn’t enough for long term success. They are seen as old and out of touch and stick too close to traditional means of messaging like broadcast/cable TV and print media when the world is rapidly moving towards getting their news from social media and podcasts. What they need to do is:

-Push younger candidates who haven’t been in politics for 30-40 years and aren’t seen as status quo politicians from the Clinton/Obama/Biden eras and can use social media and podcasts to reach a broader audience and get their message out more effectively.

-Strong emphasis on economic populism. Constantly talk about things that will help the working/middle class regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. “We’re going to bring down the cost & expand access to healthcare, housing, child care, education, etc. because this helps the middle class. We’re going to improve our roads, bridges, railways, transmission lines, etc. because this helps the middle class. We’re going to raise wages, strengthen unions, and invest in our workforce because this helps the middle class.”

-Don’t get pulled into culture wars, I’m not saying to throw minorities or LGBT people under the bus but don’t make these things a prominent part of the message. When things like DEI or trans sports gets brought up, pivot back to economic populism, “Republicans are worried about the color of your skin, where you were born, what faith you practice, what pronouns you use, who you love and what you do with your body while I’m focused on making sure all Americans are able to get a good paying job, put a roof over their head, put food on the table, raise a family, go to the doctor, get an education and take care of loved ones.”



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RolStoppable said:
Mnementh said:

Things will fix itself, we don't need to change anything..... I wonder who here is gullible and stupid.

Just take a look at the polling in the USA. The Democrats have done virtually nothing of value this year, but Trump's approval rating on all major topics is negative by now. Do you give credit to the Democrats for that widespread change of heart?

Before the election it was explained ad nauseum how harmful another Trump presidency will be. Americans didn't want to believe it then. They believe it now.

Oh, sure, Trump will give away popularity, for sure. But that doesn't mean people suddenly start loving the democrats. Things will not get better, if both parties are hated. Trump being unpopular isn't a win for the Democrats.

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Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Just take a look at the polling in the USA. The Democrats have done virtually nothing of value this year, but Trump's approval rating on all major topics is negative by now. Do you give credit to the Democrats for that widespread change of heart?

Before the election it was explained ad nauseum how harmful another Trump presidency will be. Americans didn't want to believe it then. They believe it now.

Oh, sure, Trump will give away popularity, for sure. But that doesn't mean people suddenly start loving the democrats. Things will not get better, if both parties are hated. Trump being unpopular isn't a win for the Democrats.

In a two-party system, it is a win for the Democrats.

If people want things to get better, they need to stop being stupid in elections. They need to make left candidates win more often in Democratic primaries, because the current state of the USA is that in the end people choose between conservative politicians (the Democrats) and far-right politicians (the Republicans). Both options lead to redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, although at significantly different speeds.

The rise of the far-right (not just in the USA) is fueled by the stupidity of voters. Too many vote further to the right rather than the left when they are dissatisfied with their own financial situation and their most recently selected political party. This behavior has led stupid politicians to play catch-up and move their own policies further to the right because that's how they interpret election results. If voters at large acted rationally rather than emotionally, then it would be very easy for left politicians to win elections. But this isn't the world we live in.

Of the three points that zorg1000 proposed above, only the first one has actual value, provided these young people go for left politics, most notably the redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and the middle class. The second point is what the Democrats have campaigned on in 2024 and it didn't work (too reasonable to resonate with the American people). The third point runs into the issue of how widespread racism and white victimhood is in the USA; if such people get to hear that their value is equal to everyone else, they are going to perceive that as oppression like they've done for so long already because they are stupid.



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zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

Fully agreed.  Which is why, personal opinion, the strategy of democrats needs to be re-tooled.  How the left party thinks they are viewed and how they are actually viewed...  massive gap.  On the other side, the strategy for republicans is working.  Sure it is BS talking points...  but doesn't change the fact that it is working.  So I think we are aligned here, at least for the most part.  

Yeah they really need a strong rebrand, Trump’s approval is in the gutter which will help swing things in their favor but the Democratic Party as a whole has terrible approval as well so just running on “we’re not Trump” isn’t enough for long term success. They are seen as old and out of touch and stick too close to traditional means of messaging like broadcast/cable TV and print media when the world is rapidly moving towards getting their news from social media and podcasts. What they need to do is:

-Push younger candidates who haven’t been in politics for 30-40 years and aren’t seen as status quo politicians from the Clinton/Obama/Biden eras and can use social media and podcasts to reach a broader audience and get their message out more effectively.

-Strong emphasis on economic populism. Constantly talk about things that will help the working/middle class regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. “We’re going to bring down the cost & expand access to healthcare, housing, child care, education, etc. because this helps the middle class. We’re going to improve our roads, bridges, railways, transmission lines, etc. because this helps the middle class. We’re going to raise wages, strengthen unions, and invest in our workforce because this helps the middle class.”

-Don’t get pulled into culture wars, I’m not saying to throw minorities or LGBT people under the bus but don’t make these things a prominent part of the message. When things like DEI or trans sports gets brought up, pivot back to economic populism, “Republicans are worried about the color of your skin, where you were born, what faith you practice, what pronouns you use, who you love and what you do with your body while I’m focused on making sure all Americans are able to get a good paying job, put a roof over their head, put food on the table, raise a family, go to the doctor, get an education and take care of loved ones.”

100% agreed.  This has been my view for a number of years. 

Well articulated.  



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RolStoppable said:
Mnementh said:

Oh, sure, Trump will give away popularity, for sure. But that doesn't mean people suddenly start loving the democrats. Things will not get better, if both parties are hated. Trump being unpopular isn't a win for the Democrats.

In a two-party system, it is a win for the Democrats.

If people want things to get better, they need to stop being stupid in elections. They need to make left candidates win more often in Democratic primaries, because the current state of the USA is that in the end people choose between conservative politicians (the Democrats) and far-right politicians (the Republicans). Both options lead to redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, although at significantly different speeds.

The rise of the far-right (not just in the USA) is fueled by the stupidity of voters. Too many vote further to the right rather than the left when they are dissatisfied with their own financial situation and their most recently selected political party. This behavior has led stupid politicians to play catch-up and move their own policies further to the right because that's how they interpret election results. If voters at large acted rationally rather than emotionally, then it would be very easy for left politicians to win elections. But this isn't the world we live in.

Of the three points that zorg1000 proposed above, only the first one has actual value, provided these young people go for left politics, most notably the redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and the middle class. The second point is what the Democrats have campaigned on in 2024 and it didn't work (too reasonable to resonate with the American people). The third point runs into the issue of how widespread racism and white victimhood is in the USA; if such people get to hear that their value is equal to everyone else, they are going to perceive that as oppression like they've done for so long already because they are stupid.

But redistribution of wealth is like the most unamerican thing ever. Focusing on this as the main theme might work in Europe, but I doubt it would work in America. We shouldn't forget that US doesn't want to be like other G20 nations. It is proud of its low taxes system. Even if proper healthcare, good education at the University etc. have become out of reach for most of the population. Making the rich pay more to fix those issues isn't what US wants, because they definitely don't want to be like inferior friendly countries, such as Canada and UK.



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Qwark said:
RolStoppable said:

In a two-party system, it is a win for the Democrats.

If people want things to get better, they need to stop being stupid in elections. They need to make left candidates win more often in Democratic primaries, because the current state of the USA is that in the end people choose between conservative politicians (the Democrats) and far-right politicians (the Republicans). Both options lead to redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, although at significantly different speeds.

The rise of the far-right (not just in the USA) is fueled by the stupidity of voters. Too many vote further to the right rather than the left when they are dissatisfied with their own financial situation and their most recently selected political party. This behavior has led stupid politicians to play catch-up and move their own policies further to the right because that's how they interpret election results. If voters at large acted rationally rather than emotionally, then it would be very easy for left politicians to win elections. But this isn't the world we live in.

Of the three points that zorg1000 proposed above, only the first one has actual value, provided these young people go for left politics, most notably the redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and the middle class. The second point is what the Democrats have campaigned on in 2024 and it didn't work (too reasonable to resonate with the American people). The third point runs into the issue of how widespread racism and white victimhood is in the USA; if such people get to hear that their value is equal to everyone else, they are going to perceive that as oppression like they've done for so long already because they are stupid.

But redistribution of wealth is like the most unamerican thing ever. Focusing on this as the main theme might work in Europe, but I doubt it would work in America. We shouldn't forget that US doesn't want to be like other G20 nations. It is proud of its low taxes system. Even if proper healthcare, good education at the University etc. have become out of reach for most of the population. Making the rich pay more to fix those issues isn't what US wants, because they definitely don't want to be like inferior friendly countries, such as Canada and UK.

It amazes me how off base people can be.  Uni in the UK is roughly 10k a year...  State Uni in the US is roughly 10k a year....  the mistake people make is the either compare Uni in the UK to private school in the US.  Or they compare tuition only in the UK to US full room and board.  The cost in Uni between US and UK doesn't exist, that is a myth.  

I also find it funny people talk about "poor" education in the US and all the things we do wrong.  9 out of the top 10 companies on the planet...  are US.  Not sure how the US driving so much innovation when everyone is "poorly" educated.  

Edit

I also find people like Rol funny.  If anybody would know the state of US voters it would be someone who has never been to the US?  Makes sense.  From a talking point perspective liberals have done a terrible job at talking with the average middle American, thus they turned their back on the party.  It is that simple.  Nobody is going to say "gee whiz, I can't afford a house, but we are taking down statues, you got my vote!."  Liberal policies can and often do benefit middle class, they just don't talk about them enough.  

As for healthcare.  I lived in the UK.  My daughter has a serious issue, 6 month wait period to see a specialist...  US, 2 days later.  Sure one is more expensive, but at least in the US I can actually see a doctor.  

Edit 2

And yeah, I don't want "free" college in the US.  For starters nothing is free.  Secondly I already paid for mine, my wife's and two kids.  How many college educations am I suppose to sponsor?  

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