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curl-6 said:
sundin13 said:

If the government bulldozes my house and then turns around and says "you should use the standard public assistance for homeless people" I think I would rightfully be pissed off.

While there should be larger scale efforts to aid those who are struggling financially, the government has a specific responsibility to the communities it directly harmed.

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.

The things that happened to black people "before we were born" explains the socioeconomic disparity we still have to this day between black and white people, it's not as easy to beat the system and go up in the socioeconomical ladder as the liberals want us to believe.

"Oh, but we already have perfect race equality, we should just help the poor independent of skin color then!"

Yes, we should, but we should also stop pretending racism doesn't still exist, and doesn't still make it much harder for black people to get jobs, to get *good* jobs, to get raises, to go up in life, than it is for white people to have all those opportunities. Data from last year, LAST YEAR, shows black women are still the demographic with most challenges to find jobs, and as a result, the most unemployed too.

If you have interest in actually learning, you can do your own research, but this is a good start: https://www.essence.com/news/money-career/black-women-leading-unemployment/

“It’s layered—this being an election year definitely plays a part but what sits on top of that is the repeal of the affirmative action legislation in addition to the rollback of DEI,” says Patrice Williams-Lindo, change management consultant and founder of career pivot strategy firm Career Nomad. “As you think about what that looks like, it means that we start out behind the gate already, whether from entry level all the way up to leadership. We make up less than 7% of all C-suite levels across the nation.” 

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Mnementh said:
Cyran said:

France has Two-Round voting so people feel more free to vote for whoever they want on first round since on the second round they get a second vote for the 2 candidates that got the most votes.  I think USA would see a lot more people voting third party if we had two-round voting.

Japan and UK both parliamentary system where you don't vote for the prime minister but vote for your local MP.  When one party does not get the majority of seats then the party with the most seats have to negotiate with other parties to form a minority government which means even a party that only get a few seats can still hold influence over the prime minister in some situation unlike USA where we vote for our president directly (well technically electoral college but the electoral college is winner take all, a thrid party cant give there electoral votes to anouther party after the fact like in a parlimentary system).

All your examples either give more influence to parties in the minority then the USA (parlimentary system) or in the case of france give citizen a second vote which we don't get in the USA.

The USA system is as RolStoppable indicated uniquely setup to encourage people to vote for one of the two party in order to maximize chance of the person you vote for having a chance to win to the point that I had press to think of another country that have a single round vote directly for president that have many parties as valid option.

Eh, France's two round system may have a small effect, but the much bigger effect is the believe in the lie, that they cannot escape the two-party system. Beliefs are very strong influencers of our actions. So strengthening this belief is actively harming the people in the US.

I think it might have a bigger affects than you would imagine.  Not over night but over time.  For example in 2024 under the french system I would of consider third party on round 1 if I knew I would of had a round 2 too vote against Trump.  Since that was not the case I never even consider voting for anyone other then Harris.  Over time as people see third party get more votes more and more people would become comfortable voting for them.

You can call it a lie but when it been around 175 years since last time someone who was not a Democrat or Republican won until there more states that stop using winner take it all it going to be tough to convince people that someone that not Democratic or Republican have a serious shot of winning and therefore people going to choose the candidate that they believe closer to what they want.



Systemic racism is a real thing and it is very well documented in the US. From slavery, to Jim Crow to redlining. Its affects are generational and are largly responsible for the wealth inequality among races in the US. Ignoring it, or trying to rewrite history doesn't fix the problems of the past. It only makes them worse. I feel like I could sit here and give a unique expample of contemporary racism every day fo the next year and it would be largely ignored by a lot of people here. That is largely because people have been programmed to ignore it or act offended when it is pointed out. Among some, it is seen a racist to point out racism. What the people who are racist, especially amoung white people, have done is to hid behind the entire race and say: YOU CAN"T call me racist without calling all white people racist. Thats a scam. If a white person were to commit murder, all other white people don't get defensive and say Stop calling us murderers! That would be redicilous. By the same token, if someone calls a white person racist, that doesn't mean all white people need to jump up and say stop calling us racist. Thats stupid. For any race.



Cyran said:
Mnementh said:

Eh, France's two round system may have a small effect, but the much bigger effect is the believe in the lie, that they cannot escape the two-party system. Beliefs are very strong influencers of our actions. So strengthening this belief is actively harming the people in the US.

I think it might have a bigger affects than you would imagine.  Not over night but over time.  For example in 2024 under the french system I would of consider third party on round 1 if I knew I would of had a round 2 too vote against Trump.  Since that was not the case I never even consider voting for anyone other then Harris.  Over time as people see third party get more votes more and more people would become comfortable voting for them.

You can call it a lie but when it been around 175 years since last time someone who was not a Democrat or Republican won until there more states that stop using winner take it all it going to be tough to convince people that someone that not Democratic or Republican have a serious shot of winning and therefore people going to choose the candidate that they believe closer to what they want.

As I wrote, some states even have Instant Runoff. Rules can be changed. And Japan and UK as I wrote have similar systems anyways. Also it should strike you as weird that pretty much any democracy can have multiple parties, but in the US it suddenly is impossible?



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Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Cyran gave you the explanation why the USA's setup is a unique one. There's no easy way out for the American people.

I answered Cyran seriously, because I feel they are interested in a serious discussion.

You on the other hand put another idiotic lie on top: the idea of american exceptionalism. It is often used to paint americans as somehow superior, but you are not the first declaring americans as uniquely stupid: unable to break out of a two party misery pendulum like other countries.

The pendulum is that if people are fed up with one shitty party they elect the other, until they are fed up with them. But either way they don't escape the misery. So the misery pendulum. You declare americans are too stupid to break the cycle, you declare no escape from the misery. That is a lie and perpetuating this lie feeds into sustaining the two-party-system. As people fear the consequences of a third-party vote or resignate.

The situation is so bad that a murderer (Luigi Mangioni) is openly cheered on.

And yes, I know many hate americans enough to wish them not to escape this misery. As a non-american you have it easy to escape the misery. But I think differently. Besides the basic human decency for every human, I also think that this influences europe. Because enough dumb-dumb here want to emulate every bad policy from the americas. So a bad situation in the US over time leads to more boldness in proposing bullshit ideas for europeans.

So let's not make the situation worse. Let us not strenghtening the lie of the inevitability of the misery pendulum, of the two-party system. Americans should break free and improve their situation.

So your answer for America's misery is that they aren't stupid, they are scared. They are unable to overcome an irrational fear, according to you. The inability to think rationally is something that I'd consider stupidity as well. And I might add that stupidity is in large parts a choice of any given individual.

You may notice that I said there's no easy way out, not that there's no way at all. You have yet to name a third party option that would make the lives of Americans better, that's why that part of your argument is so weak.

The way to fix things for Americans would be to consistently vote for the most left options available, starting at the lowest levels. When there are primaries for Democratic candidates, pick the more progressive ones who have at least some ambition to shake up the old structures of the Democratic party. That way something could change over the course of a couple of decades. That's why I say that there's no easy way, because patience and persistence among the majority of Americans is required instead of doing this stupid back and forth between voting Democrats and Republicans into office.



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TheRealSamusAran said:
curl-6 said:

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.

The things that happened to black people "before we were born" explains the socioeconomic disparity we still have to this day between black and white people, it's not as easy to beat the system and go up in the socioeconomical ladder as the liberals want us to believe.

"Oh, but we already have perfect race equality, we should just help the poor independent of skin color then!"

Yes, we should, but we should also stop pretending racism doesn't still exist, and doesn't still make it much harder for black people to get jobs, to get *good* jobs, to get raises, to go up in life, than it is for white people to have all those opportunities. Data from last year, LAST YEAR, shows black women are still the demographic with most challenges to find jobs, and as a result, the most unemployed too.

If you have interest in actually learning, you can do your own research, but this is a good start: https://www.essence.com/news/money-career/black-women-leading-unemployment/

“It’s layered—this being an election year definitely plays a part but what sits on top of that is the repeal of the affirmative action legislation in addition to the rollback of DEI,” says Patrice Williams-Lindo, change management consultant and founder of career pivot strategy firm Career Nomad. “As you think about what that looks like, it means that we start out behind the gate already, whether from entry level all the way up to leadership. We make up less than 7% of all C-suite levels across the nation.” 

It's never too late to start learning.

Fantastic non-biased source ... also as to the quote - at a 50 / 50 split (male / female) and black people being 13% of the US population isn't "less than 7%" almost perfect representation if you consider black females to be about 6.5% of the US? 

Sorry if I offend anyone by saying black versus African-American but not all people of dark pigment are here directly from Africa.  Hell I think unless you are within a generation or two of immigrating to the USA you are just another American from the melting pot.  I would bet that there are very very few people in the USA with pure African bloodlines.



TheRealSamusAran said:
curl-6 said:

If something was done to you personally, sure. You're not owed special treatment for something that happened to people who look like you before you were even born though.

The things that happened to black people "before we were born" explains the socioeconomic disparity we still have to this day between black and white people, it's not as easy to beat the system and go up in the socioeconomical ladder as the liberals want us to believe.

"Oh, but we already have perfect race equality, we should just help the poor independent of skin color then!"

Yes, we should, but we should also stop pretending racism doesn't still exist, and doesn't still make it much harder for black people to get jobs, to get *good* jobs, to get raises, to go up in life, than it is for white people to have all those opportunities. Data from last year, LAST YEAR, shows black women are still the demographic with most challenges to find jobs, and as a result, the most unemployed too.

If you have interest in actually learning, you can do your own research, but this is a good start: https://www.essence.com/news/money-career/black-women-leading-unemployment/

“It’s layered—this being an election year definitely plays a part but what sits on top of that is the repeal of the affirmative action legislation in addition to the rollback of DEI,” says Patrice Williams-Lindo, change management consultant and founder of career pivot strategy firm Career Nomad. “As you think about what that looks like, it means that we start out behind the gate already, whether from entry level all the way up to leadership. We make up less than 7% of all C-suite levels across the nation.” 

It's never too late to start learning.

I don't see anyone claiming racism doesn't exist any more or that it is a thing of the past.

The problem is that efforts to address it over the past decade or so have overcompensated to the extent of discriminating in the opposite direction or promoting divisive "us vs them" rhetoric, to the point where racism is worse now than it was in say 2013.

If you constantly tell people that they're the kings of shit and that everybody else should be prioritised over them, naturally many of them will become resentful and retaliate. 



curl-6 said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

The things that happened to black people "before we were born" explains the socioeconomic disparity we still have to this day between black and white people, it's not as easy to beat the system and go up in the socioeconomical ladder as the liberals want us to believe.

"Oh, but we already have perfect race equality, we should just help the poor independent of skin color then!"

Yes, we should, but we should also stop pretending racism doesn't still exist, and doesn't still make it much harder for black people to get jobs, to get *good* jobs, to get raises, to go up in life, than it is for white people to have all those opportunities. Data from last year, LAST YEAR, shows black women are still the demographic with most challenges to find jobs, and as a result, the most unemployed too.

If you have interest in actually learning, you can do your own research, but this is a good start: https://www.essence.com/news/money-career/black-women-leading-unemployment/

“It’s layered—this being an election year definitely plays a part but what sits on top of that is the repeal of the affirmative action legislation in addition to the rollback of DEI,” says Patrice Williams-Lindo, change management consultant and founder of career pivot strategy firm Career Nomad. “As you think about what that looks like, it means that we start out behind the gate already, whether from entry level all the way up to leadership. We make up less than 7% of all C-suite levels across the nation.” 

It's never too late to start learning.

I don't see anyone claiming racism doesn't exist any more or that it is a thing of the past.

The problem is that efforts to address it over the past decade or so have overcompensated to the extent of discriminating in the opposite direction or promoting divisive "us vs them" rhetoric, to the point where racism is worse now than it was in say 2013.

If you constantly tell people that they're the kings of shit and that everybody else should be prioritised over them, naturally many of them will become resentful and retaliate. 

Please explain to me the horrors of spending money to revitalize communities and schools that were harmed by redlining.



sundin13 said:
curl-6 said:

I don't see anyone claiming racism doesn't exist any more or that it is a thing of the past.

The problem is that efforts to address it over the past decade or so have overcompensated to the extent of discriminating in the opposite direction or promoting divisive "us vs them" rhetoric, to the point where racism is worse now than it was in say 2013.

If you constantly tell people that they're the kings of shit and that everybody else should be prioritised over them, naturally many of them will become resentful and retaliate. 

Please explain to me the horrors of spending money to revitalize communities and schools that were harmed by redlining.

It's not so much this sort of thing that's being objected to, more stuff like diversity quotas, "all white people are racist", hypertokenism, etc.



I would like to know when it would be enough. Because none of the people who think that money should go to black people because of their skin colour knows how much money it should be. How many billions or trillions are good enough to finally lay this topic at rest? Who should get it (what ancestry is right)? Who should pay (just everybody, only white people)? There is no fixed amount of dollars, meaning that people would keep whining and complaining and shouting about their victim complex from the rooftops until we have equity. But what if that day never comes? How much disparity are we willing to contribute to culture? A 10 % wealth gap? A 1 % wealth gap? This is never going to end, unless we decide not to treat people different just because they look different.