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Is the Switch 2 in troubles?

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numberwang said:

450$ has been confirmed? It does sound reasonable considering the 120Hz display. Still likely 8nm Samsung SOC with that dual fan setup.

It's not a 120 hz display, it has 120 fps support docked. Same for HDR. 

Edit: Whoops. Completely misunderstood the presentation. It is indeed 120hz HDR capable. 

Last edited by LegitHyperbole - on 03 April 2025

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IcaroRibeiro said:

I doubt people bought the expensive PS5 to then sit down and play nothing on it. Until we know how much Sony makes from F2P, digital software, and subscription services in Japan, physical game tie-ratio is an insufficient metric. Do keep in mind that many PS5's were imported by China, so a good chunk of spending and software sales data is omitted.

Of course revenue per unit includes subscriptions and in game purchases, if not the situation of PS5 in Japan would not only be problematic but abysmal

But it doesn't change the price increase was to offset production costs. PS5 units were not generating enough money, so Sony increased the priced to at least make some profit with the hardware purchases themselves  

Yeah but the result of that was PS5 pretty much falling off a cliff (in Japan, China, or both lol) which means even less subs, software sales, and spending from customers. Naturally there are cons and pros to each approach, and only Sony has the complete data to know whether or not they made the right call.



LegitHyperbole said:
numberwang said:

450$ has been confirmed? It does sound reasonable considering the 120Hz display. Still likely 8nm Samsung SOC with that dual fan setup.

It's not a 120 hz display, it has 120 fps support docked. Same for HDR. 

No, it is a 7.9" 1080p 120hz HDR LCD display. HDR and 120hz are both available in handheld mode.

Metroid Prime 4 is already confirmed to have a 720p120 mode for handheld on Switch 2.

Last edited by Zippy6 - on 02 April 2025

I love Nintendo dearly..... but I thoughts and can't stay silent... so here goes...

I would argue this is far worse than the PS3 situation. PS3 games didn't cost and arm and a leg. This feels more like an Apple Pippin situation up here in Canada. The system will launch at $629.99 CAD which is the exact same price the PS5 disk-based version launched at. Now here's the kicker. The $80 games come into about $115 dollars a game, and if the rumours that are true that the digital games are $80 USD and physical copies are $90 USD, that brings physical retail prices up to $129 a game. This is insane and most people are not willing to pay that. A lot of hardcore gamer are passing that up, and parents are not going to be paying that much for one game for their kids. Who is this platform actually for?

I also want to point out that a lot of the games (specifically 3rd party games) were extremely blurry and had very poor anti-alising to the point it was discomforting to look at. Why are we paying significantly more money (upwards to $40 CAD more per game) for a significant downgrade in quality from PS, XBS, and PC? We can't defend a lower spec platform when the higher spec platforms offer better dollar value and far fairer priced games.

Super Mario Kart World looks phenomenal, as does the New Donkey Kong and From Software game. Prime 4 as well.... but I must ask. Where is the value? I did not see anything today to justify the price point of the hardware or the software and it doesn't look good. As far as I am concerned this is historically the most expensive video game platform ecosystem to buy into. Comparing it to the PS3 is just.... nonsense.

Which lies the problem. The price might be fair in the US, but in Canada it may have cost them an entire market because there has never been a price hike in gaming that is felt this hard in the True North. I'm not sure what the solution will be, but Nintendo will definitely struggle and they have a huge problem on their hands that does not look easy to solve. Never would have I imagined that it would be Nintendo of the big three that would alienate a nation and jack prices to the point of extortion. Canadians are VERY serious when it comes to boycotting products and Nintendo is playing a very dangerous game by opening this Pandora's box. Worst case scenario is Nintendo does nothing and many retailers drastically scale back on Nintendo products, or worse-worse case is this becomes the new normal and Sony and Microsoft raise their prices but something tells me that the drop in software sales up here will urge Sony and Microsoft to think twice which will either leave Nintendo out or force them to reverse course. 30+ years of being a Nintendo fan and I've never felt this sickened by Nintendo as I do today, or as concerned for them.




It's baffling to me that a highly ambitious sequel to a game that has sold almost 70 million copies on switch alone is considered by some here to not be a big enough system seller for the launch of a new console. Even outside of mario kart the launch day line-up is far stronger than the switch 1, which had a very meager line-up and no backwards compatability.
I do think the price of games is too high and that tour game should be a free pack in title. Aside from that the console looks great and will likely be very successful. I do doubt it'll outsell the original switch.



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Switch (Non-OLED) is $470 AUD.
Switch 2 base console is $700 AUD.
Playstation 5 Slim is $700 AUD.

Price increase gen on gen of $230 AUD or 49%.

Breath of the Wild for Switch 2 is $110.
Breath of the Wild for Switch is $90.

Price increase gen on gen is $20 or about 23%.

I'll will have mine on launch day (I have my Pre-order in), but it's going to be a hard sell for gamers if the other option is a PS5 at the same price.
This is probably going to be my last console purchase as the consoles move to subscription pay walls and digital only purchases.
..Now I am weighing up if I want to sell my OLED Switch as the OLED panel is going to be better than the Switch 2.0 display in many aspects.

With Trump initiating a trade war, people will be impacted financially as the price rises on all goods increases, meaning less disposable income, that *may* impact the Switch 2.0's sales rate out of the gate... Especially as the Switch is a good device to buy for kids and teenagers for Christmas and Birthdays.

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Airaku said:

I would argue this is far worse than the PS3 situation. PS3 games didn't cost and arm and a leg. 

A $60 USD game in 2006 is about $97 USD in 2025 dollars. 

In real prices, video games have been pretty flat (after a small decline in price over the 2010's when games were stuck at $60 MSRP for about a decade, despite other prices increasing with inflation.) 

Now of course there is a lot more to it. There are more DLC/microtransactions these days, no subscriptions then (for PS3 in 2006), and Nintendo games rarely drop in price, but brand new PS3 games weren't that affordable.

The most affordable period for game purchases probably was the 8th Generation.

In the 80's and 90's games were even more expensive than now, and games in the 00's were about comparable to this. 

Now this isn't to say Nintendo isn't being profit-seeking/greedy, they are, but it is to say that they do have room to experiment with prices on titles that sell in the tens of millions and that is likely what motivates them here. Game prices can always come down if the game isn't selling. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 02 April 2025

sc94597 said:
Airaku said:

I would argue this is far worse than the PS3 situation. PS3 games didn't cost and arm and a leg. 

A $60 USD game in 2006 is about $97 USD in 2025 dollars. 

In real prices, video games have been pretty flat (after a small decline in price over the 2010's when games were stuck at $60 MSRP for about a decade, despite other prices increasing with inflation.) 

Now of course there is a lot more to it. There are more DLC/microtransactions these days, no subscriptions then (for PS3 in 2006), and Nintendo games rarely drop in price, but brand new PS3 games weren't that affordable.

The most affordable period for game purchases probably was the 8th Generation.

In the 80's and 90's games were even more expensive than now, and games in the 00's were about comparable to this. 

Now this isn't to say Nintendo isn't being profit-seeking/greedy, they are, but it is to say that they do have room to experiment with prices on titles that sell in the tens of millions and that is likely what motivates them here.

I agree that the very late 7th gen and just prior to COVID-19 (or as you said, the 8th gen more or less) was probably the most affordable period in many markets for gaming in history when you compare inflation in the USA and other countries over time.

I also agree that while it is unfortunate that Mario Kart World is $80 and $70 looks to be the new standard for Switch 2, it's not as dire taking inflation into account as games at the launch of PS3 were. Also, what first or third-party games were people looking forward to on PS3 early on? From what I can gather (I didn't play PS3 when it was a new thing) it took until Uncharted in November 2007 and GTA IV in April 2008 for people to take PS3 more seriously and it became a real contender with the PS3 Slim and better games from September 2009 onward. 

We are not in a PS3 situation yet. I'd say the worst situation we're in is Xbox One. It sold a good deal less by percentage and number of units than Xbox 360 and while it shipped 10 million units by October 2014) it was pretty clear it couldn't live up to 360 in the long haul. 

Switch 2 is going to have to face a big backlash to sell less than 100 million units. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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I don't think the Switch 2 is in trouble. It will sell out at launch. I see it selling well enough at maybe 100M-120M lifetime. Though, no way it matches the Switch 1. On a side note, the higher price for the Switch 2 will help the Switch 1 outsell the PS2.

IF the Switch 2 struggles post launch Nintendo could drop the price like they did with the 3DS or bundle in games. The Welcome Tour not being a free game is certainly a choice. 



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Some of takes here are just as delicious as I expected them to be.

Really you could almost conflate some of the post here for what was said in the Switch 1 reveal thread.

Hardware price is likely is the least impacting factor even moreso when people try to make the comparison the PS4 Slim pricing on the Switch 1 price reveal.

It did not work then, it won't work now.

The more pressing matter is really the software prices ... If you can budget yourself right, it isn't so bad but it's clearly even more of a luxury than it was from a point of view. Blockbuster titles won't have problem to sell the big amounts we've seen but I kinda "fear" for Nintendo's AA usual sale trajectory here.

Also selling a software demo ? Hmmm no thank you.

Funny to see they've decided to basically region locked Japan into it's own region again with it's own lower price point. They know how important they are to their success strategy.



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