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With the many worlds themes, Square need to...

Go along with the many worlds story beats 2 18.18%
 
Pull back closer to the o... 4 36.36%
 
Go gull Kojima and revel in campiness 1 9.09%
 
Explain it as Mako poisoning 2 18.18%
 
I have no idea what they should do 2 18.18%
 
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LegitHyperbole said:
Hynad said:

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It's pretty heavily implied that Biggs and Zack experienced some sort of Quantum suicide effect and ended up in a parralel world line. You can tell the world lines apart by the stamp dog cartoons, so no, he is not in the lifestreams yet it is very fucked up that he survived sector 7 but got shot in the parralel universe... like why the fuck would they do that. 

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LegitHyperbole said:
Hynad said:

Spoiler!

It's pretty heavily implied that Biggs and Zack experienced some sort of Quantum suicide effect and ended up in a parralel world line. You can tell the world lines apart by the stamp dog cartoons, so no, he is not in the lifestreams yet it is very fucked up that he survived sector 7 but got shot in the parralel universe... like why the fuck would they do that. 

LegitHyperbole said:
Hynad said:

Spoiler!

It's pretty heavily implied that Biggs and Zack experienced some sort of Quantum suicide effect and ended up in a parralel world line. You can tell the world lines apart by the stamp dog cartoons, so no, he is not in the lifestreams yet it is very fucked up that he survived sector 7 but got shot in the parralel universe... like why the fuck would they do that. 

It is never ever implied they experienced “some sort of Quantum suicide”.  The world of FF VII obeys to its own rules and I think you are doing yourself a disservice by clinging to our own world’s many-worlds interpretation. The rules from the VII world haven’t yet been fully explained as of Part 2, and everything will make more sense to you once you’ve seen the third act of the story.

Last edited by Hynad - on 02 April 2025

^ I will conced after much more thought thst I am more forgiving because it's a Final Fantasy game and not something like Horizon Zero Dawn however I do hope thst they lean into the campiness more and go heavy on it to make it feel like something worth forgiving.



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Otter said:

The changes are nonsense yes. I also went back and compared the OG's narrative at this point and Sephiroph was way more coherent in why black material was important and actually explains that when the earth is done massive damage, it will draw in immense amounts of energy which he will take advantage of. In Rebirth he waffles on for ages and it's unsatisfyingly cryptic.

I honestly haven't processed much about the branching timelines so I can't respond specifically to your sentiment, I just think they made the story worse and more convoluted.

I think Square often struggles with remakes. Quite a while ago they remade the game Mystic Quest/Seiken Densetsu as Sword of Mana for GBA, and they drastically increased the amount of dialogue, but all it achieved was a lot of added flab and mush to what was already a narrative so sharp-pointed that Hemingway would have been proud of it. It didn’t improve the narrative, it just made interactions feel like long winded dialogues between Treebeard and Alexander Pope. The ending of the game which was snappy and climactic in the Gameboy original (and also the iOS remaster) now as sharp as a big bowl of mushy 7 hour old oatmeal.

Sometimes they do alright, FF4’s DS Remake was quite good. But again, I think Takashi Tokita was doing that one. Although it was developed by Matrix Software, so the credit might be theirs. Either way, I think Square needs more Takashi Tokita types on their writing staff, at least as a story producer/editor to reign in some of the long-winded writers (like he did with Masato Kato on Chrono Trigger).

Regardless, I’m still looking forward to playing this game on Switch 2.



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I'm sorry but you can't dismiss criticism with "its a sequel and you need to replay the OG and spinoffs in order for it to make sense". That's not how it's positioned by Square and a sequel can't literally be 80% reheated story content of the original. It's essentially between a rock and hard place and this is just one of those creative decisions that was made in an ivory tower, SE is alienating everyone but die hards and it's showing in the sales lol. It feels very much like convoluted fan service.

I was excited for one of my friend to pick up VII Remake for Switch 2 (knowing it would come to the platform) but by the time I finished Rebirth I realised he's going to be confused about why VII is so loved and he's not nostalgic enough to play through the OG with its dated graphics, so he's just going to walk away thinking the story is a mess and overated



I've been watching videos on the game as people here seem to not see the problems and there are things that I completely missed that I can say make things a bit more sense, I still hold to my opinion but knowing Sephiroth has knowledge of the OG FF7 explains a lot, he's also less cringe in my mind now and I understand that this is fan service which is still bad but less so, I feel like they are Alienating new players, reflecting in the drop off between remake and Rebirth. Gonna watch the og FF7 story cut on YouTube. I wanna know for part 3.

The ending is still a cluster fuck and hard-core fans agree, it's not just me pointing out inconsistencies and nonsense. 

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LegitHyperbole said:

I've been watching videos on the game as people here seem to not see the problems and there are things that I completely missed that I can say make things a bit more sense, I still hold to my opinion but knowing Sephiroth has knowledge of the OG FF7 explains a lot, he's also less cringe in my mind now and I understand that this is fan service which is still bad but less so, I feel like they are Alienating new players, reflecting in the drop off between remake and Rebirth. Gonna watch the og FF7 story cut on YouTube. I wanna know for part 3.

The ending is still a cluster fuck and hard-core fans agree, it's not just me pointing out inconsistencies and nonsense. 

I just made it to Chapter 12 on Remake.

I'm loving the story and its not just Sephiroth but Aerith seems to have knowledge of OG FF7, Chapter 11/12 hints it multiple times.



BasilZero said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I've been watching videos on the game as people here seem to not see the problems and there are things that I completely missed that I can say make things a bit more sense, I still hold to my opinion but knowing Sephiroth has knowledge of the OG FF7 explains a lot, he's also less cringe in my mind now and I understand that this is fan service which is still bad but less so, I feel like they are Alienating new players, reflecting in the drop off between remake and Rebirth. Gonna watch the og FF7 story cut on YouTube. I wanna know for part 3.

The ending is still a cluster fuck and hard-core fans agree, it's not just me pointing out inconsistencies and nonsense. 

I just made it to Chapter 12 on Remake.

I'm loving the story and its not just Sephiroth but Aerith seems to have knowledge of OG FF7, Chapter 11/12 hints it multiple times.

I got to thinking about this again and watched some scenes with Aerith and Sephiroth and it's still unclear tbh, they could be seeing many things like multiple universes in general. I fully expect the writers to come out for part 3 and present Sephiroths plan to be the destruction of all parallel universe to save universe prime whether that's the OG timeline or not from an inevitable catastrophe and give him that Thanos antihero treatment.

There are many things they could be saying because they are so aloof and cryptic and they aren't really saying anything at all. Fact is though, they got us hard, there are still many people out here, where the game has stayed in our heads many weeks or months later, it'll probably stick with me till part 3 so mission accomplished with the mystery if it pays off or not is to be seen. Fingers crossed.  



As far as Japanese over the top confusion can go, Rebirth is very light in this respect. There's a couple of ways this can go and they are not that far out there, compared to many other stories. It's not Kojima level WTF or anything like that. I guess the Kingdom Hearts guy just wanted add some zigzag in to the FF7 mix. Or maybe they wanted to revamp it a little bit so that even us OG fans would not know exactly how things will play out. And they can have more characters around for longer.
I think they know exactly what they are doing, they are simply hiding their cards just enough so that at this point nobody can *really* nail the whole thing down in advance.
In general, I'm not a big fan of multiverses or alternate realities and timelines, because they tend to destroy any real stakes and add unnecessary complication. However, I'm blinded by my love for this game so I'm just taking it and smiling all the way.