It's not only those factors, even if all those exclusive PS games were only on PS5, it would still be weaker than the PS3 and even PS4 era if you want, The number of good games was just so much more in the 7th gen, and 8th gen as well. Now every big game is coming out once per 5-6-7 years. Back then we had big games every two years, for some cases even every single year. Also there were far more single player oriented games where now everything is looking for online multiplayer, and most of those games are online only and full of microtransactions. Back then almost everything was about singleplayer, and the multiplayer was just like extra. And even with that, that extra multiplayer was better and more fun than now.

Nah that's silly. a GTX 670 4gb can still run basically every game, that doesn't mean any GPU after it doesn't justify it's existence and we should all still be gaming on mechanical HDD's, 4th gen I5's and GPU's from 12 years ago.

But even if you were to only look at games that aren't playable on PS4, and ignore everything else, you'd still be silly to say the PS5 doesn't justify itself over the PS4. Some of the biggest sales hits this year (Helldivers 2, Black Myth, College Football) aren't on last-gen.

Alan Wake 2, Astro Bot, Avatar, Baldurs Gate 3, Black Myth Wukong, Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty, Dead Space, Deathloop, Demon's Souls, Dragons Dogma 2, EA Sports College Football, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Ghost Wire Tokyo, Helldivers 2, Hi-Fi Rush, Lies of P, Plague Tale Reguiem, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Returnal, Rise of the Ronin, Spiderman 2, Stellar Blade, Tekken 8, Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2. All big games that aren't on PS4 and that's just to name a few. How many big games do you need to justify yourself?

And soon AC Shadows, Dragon Age Veilguard... basically all of the biggest games this year except CoD aren't on PS4, including the two highest rated games of the year on Metacritic.

It's getting better, it's just that in previous generations you could make a list like this in the first two years instead of nearly four.

Mind you, I didn't have a PS4, so it's not a problem for me personally. But I can see why a lot of folks are disappointed; I'm primarily a Nintendo gamer and if major Switch 2 games in 2029 were still coming out on Switch 1 I'd be annoyed.

But why? Lol. You have a new system running the games at 4k60/1440p60 or whatever while the old one is running at 720p30. Why is it annoying that people with the previous system can still play the games?

I don't understand why Sony preventing people on PS4 from playing God of War Ragnarok, Miles Morales, Sackboy, Horizon Forbidden West for no good reason would be a good thing.

I don't see how abandoning the people who bought your previous platform ASAP is a positive. Cross-gen means you can stick with the platform you already have if you're not interested in the performance and features of the new console instead of being forced to. "Buy our new machine right now, or here's the middle finger." If the games can run, keep bringing them.

It doesn't hurt anyone and shouldn't annoy anyone.  Console gamers are just confused by game engines being scalable.  The idea of software being playable across different hardwares is just new to console gamers.

If the leap was as big as 720p30 to 1440p60 then yeah that's night and day, but if you were to use the leap from PS4 Pro to PS5, even on a 4K set those PS4 Pro versions are still damn impressive. Hell, even the base PS4 was optimised impressively for cross-gen.

In those cases people are probably right to be annoyed. But if they're annoyed it should be at themselves, since if they were going to be happy with those versions on PS4 they should've just stuck with it. If they wanted the next-gen features and performance that badly and couldn't wait any longer, well then there's no reason to be upset.

The idea that someone is upset purely because they wanted to jump straight to next-gen, but also don't like the thought that other people from the previous gen are happy enjoying the same games there... Well, I don't want to spell out what that says about your character, but it's not great.

You threw some games, but the fact of the matter is, all of those games would be only for 1 year in the 7th and even 8th gen years (hell even 6th gen if you want, 6th gen was very stack too, I enjoyed that one also). For the last 3-4 generation of consoles you had that list you made but in a period of 1 year not 4 years. (And the list without remakes remaster such as final fantasy, demon souls or sports and fighting games such as tekken and football mind you, the list could be as big full of only AAA titles for the year, let alone AA titles, let alone some mediocre ones that still were more than now, and were okayish for killing time, and let alone all the fighting and sports games which were times more as well, not only some tekken game for 4 years for exampe)

Sorry, but you could receive all of that titles in just 1 year, in all of 6th, 7th or 8th gen. Now you get it in the period of 4 years. That's bad. And again, there are at least 3 games here that are remakes or remasters, remove them, and the games only become smaller. The list you could get on the previous gen I am referring without remasters and remakes. The same list is presented by wikipedia for the PS3 as well. For it's 8th years on the market in which exclusive titles got released for the system, PS3 has 180 games listed in total. So for double the time PS5 had, PS3 had 9 times more games than it. Or for 4 years if we have to calculate this makes 90 titles. Where is 90 where is 20 .. When we calculate the games per year on average we get 22.5 exclusive games PER YEAR. That list for the PS5 is for 4 years period. with LESS games than PS3 average year of 22.5 games. And that is with 2014 included, which year Sony was 90% PS4. So if we calculate it for 7 years the difference will be even bigger. Even if you throw the small numbers of titles that released on the PS4 as well from 2020 onwards, it's still on par at best with what you could get in just 1 strong year of the previous 3 generations. Let alone 2 years, let alone 4 years. I will just put that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2007_video_games, I am not sure if we even have so many released game for the whole generation till that moment. (the pages are a few, 900 games in total, for just 2007, go beat that 9th gen)

The "soon" list you throw is very small. Of course you can throw some more titles, but back then in the soon list we could make a list as big if not bigger as you made about the PS5 titles, but for titles coming out in future, now the list would be way way smaller. Everything pales in comparison to back then, maybe only the obvious things don't which are normal to evolve over the years such as graphics, faster loading speeds and etc. 6th gen, 7th gen, 8th gen blew out 9th gen of the water, they clean the floor with it. 

On the other post topic, there is no problem that games are launching on previous gen, the problem is that all of them could be marginally diferent and better in every aspect if they were not hold back by the last gen. This is the price to pay if you want gaming to evolve. It is happening once per 6-7 years, but with the PS5 gen the PS4 gen it's like continuing since it's getting decent amount of games in it's 10th years. That is unheard of. Many of the games that released on PS4 since 2020 could be vastly different or better if they were only on PS5, just like many games in the past releasing only on the new gen platforms. I personally don't have a problem with that, just wanted to say what @curl-6 meant with that, the console generation as generation is changing, and the reasons to jump from PS4 to PS5 became just about visuals and framerate, just like one Pro upgrade, not because of new games impossible on previous generation, new experiences and new things you can play for first time on the brand new generation. But this is only part of the problem, the bigger one is the amount and the quality of this amount of games compare to previous gens as every game is now developed and made and released once per 6-7-8 years, not per 1-2, or 3 at max years like the 20 years before 2020. I get that, however that does not change the fact that the generation is like joke compare to everything before that.

2007 alone blew everything from 2020 to 2024 out the water. The other years are not even needed.. Years like 2007 and 2011 alone just put the whole 9th gen in it's backpocket. (I include all the games, not only PS3s). - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2007_video_games (the pages are a few, 900 games in total, for just 2007, go beat that 9th gen)

Are you refering to the 2011 PSN outage or something else? That outage lasted 23 days. As for it being crap, you could play 64 man Resistance matches. Xbox had nothing like that.

PS3 was rife with online passes? Can you provide ten examples games that had online passes on PS3? I bet online passes represent less than 10% of online PS3 games. But it's your claim, so I'll let you defend it.

I did not know PAL models didn't have BC. I looked into this and it looks like at best they had some crappy emulation solution with firmware 1.70 or something. I don't count that as legit BC. BC means the game runs 95% similar to the original hardware. As a sidenote, I don't consider a lot of PC games to be BC games. Why? Because they depend on heavy emulation to even run games from ancient versions of windows.

Your PS3 controllers and launch model are examples of anecdotal evidence. PS3's were reliable overall and so were the controllers. You personally having bad luck does not change that.

You probably lack an SSD and need to reapply thermal paste to your PS3. That's why GT5 takes so long. At least from disc. If you are trying to install patches from online then just be thankful Sony hasn't pulled the plug on that. Online support was probably faster back in the day.


Your final paragraph is nothing but anecdotes.

Why would you assume it's based around wanting last gen console owners getting the shaft?  Believe it or not, some people would just like to see games on their new $500 console that can't be done on the old hardware.  If games can scale, then great, but wanting to see true next-gen games on your true next-gen console shouldn't be met with opposition.

I honestly felt this way about cross gen games right when the PS5 launched. 

But the more I think about it, and with how long game development has gotten, those true next gen leaps won't be happening in Year 3 or 4, yet alone in Year 1 or 2. As an example, I loved R&C: Rift Apart, and while it gave us a taste of what next gen can do, I feel like Insomniac could still take it to another level. Even last generation, some of the games I feel had that leap from the previous hardware, such as GoW, RDR2, TLOU2, didn't come until 2018 at the earliest.