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This has to be some kind of record.

For a first party AAA title that was in development for years and likely cost $100m plus to be pulled from the market after just 11 days is a whole 'nother level of failure.

Hopefully this will serve as a lesson to devs and publishers on what NOT to do when making a game.



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curl-6 said:

This has to be some kind of record.

For a first party AAA title that was in development for years and likely cost $100m plus to be pulled from the market after just 11 days is a whole 'nother level of failure.

Hopefully this will serve as a lesson to devs and publishers on what NOT to do when making a game.

XDefiant is next and thats F2P. None wants these CoD clones when theres an actual good CoD around the corner (BO6)



jason1637 said:
curl-6 said:

This has to be some kind of record.

For a first party AAA title that was in development for years and likely cost $100m plus to be pulled from the market after just 11 days is a whole 'nother level of failure.

Hopefully this will serve as a lesson to devs and publishers on what NOT to do when making a game.

XDefiant is next and thats F2P. None wants these CoD clones when theres an actual good CoD around the corner (BO6)

XDefiant is also a hero shooter disguising itself as a CoD clone lol making it unappealing to both fanbases. Really seems like the only hero shooter that might make it would be Marvel Rivals simply because it’s Marvel characters lol



G2ThaUNiT said:
jason1637 said:

XDefiant is next and thats F2P. None wants these CoD clones when theres an actual good CoD around the corner (BO6)

XDefiant is also a hero shooter disguising itself as a CoD clone lol making it unappealing to both fanbases. Really seems like the only hero shooter that might make it would be Marvel Rivals simply because it’s Marvel characters lol

Even that’s not a guarantee considering The Avengers was also known as a pretty massive flop. At least Rivals seems to have a roster of more than 12 characters (though a bit odd there are none of the fantastic four playable). 



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JuliusHackebeil said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

This whole pronouns discourse surrounding Concord is stupid and honestly a proof people choose to fight with ghosts

The cast of Concord has robots and humanoids aliens thst only barely resemble humans

The pronouns are just to identify what is the gender of the character. It's just that

Imagine if you could play C3PO from Star Wars, he's a robot and of course don't have sex, but he (look I'm using the pronoun "he") is clearly depicted as a male, this is C3PO gender

In fairytales and other kind of stories is common for beings that are otherwise not gendered to be portrayed as gendered, the pronouns are just a way to make the player understand what are the gender of the robots and non human characters


Social media have clearly rotten people brains if they can no longer understand how gender identity works in fiction without mixing up politics. If you really find a game that have its characters cast displayed on screen something to rage about you're just one of the a deranged and chronically online politics-obsessed person lol

I am afraid this is an assertion without proof, or even argument.

Yes, many words have grammatical genders. It is the same in my mother language (german) too. But the question is not if they have one. It is if that grammatical gender is directed and dictated by a social construct – our modern understanding of gender – or by sex. And gender as we understand it is so young, that it could not possibly have played a role in forming the decisions of what person gets what pronoun.

And I get that social roles can be old. But a man not conforming to social roles, or in fact exclusively practicing female social roles, would still be a man for all the understanding we had on this topic until five minutes ago.

Also, please consider this: gender, as modernity dictates, is a spectrum. So how come we only now get a spectrum of gendered pronouns and up until recently only had he/she – a binary? Because it is in direct relation to and consequence of another binary – sex. It is also an extremely modern mindset, that gender is everything and sex says rather little about an individual.

 

“The pronouns are just to identify what is the gender of the character. It’s just that.”

“The pronouns are just a way to make the player understand what are the gender of the robots and non-human characters”

A lot of people like the idea and theory of gender. But please note that it is just that, a theory. Set up in a way so it can never be proven or disproven. Unintelligible, non-empirical. My opinion, as I actually argued (above) is, that pronouns are not a way to identify what gender a character has, but what sex.

Now a robot does not have a sex. But it can be programmed to come across as if it had. And if alien reproduction turns out not to work like it does with the human binary sex, then perhaps different pronouns, like “it” could be in order. But I cannot imagine the concord devs thought so deeply about it.

But since pronoun choices also apply (presumably in concord too) to humans (and not just to robots and aliens) your point is moot again. Also, why choose pronouns at all, if they are dictated by how the fictional characters would feel inside or what social roles they take on? This at least should not be your choice but the characters. But since it is your choice, it is about you, not about humans, robots, aliens or anything else. This is just for the player. And this is also a common thread in the gender discourse – self-obsession – a downright recipe for unhappiness.

And please don’t call people deranged or having brain rot, just because they do not believe in this unproven gender theory and think that pronouns work differently than you do.

Your entire premise is based on the assumption you can select characters pronouns/gender. It's a false premise. 

You're not brainroted for not believing in gender theory, you're at worst uninformed. You're brainroted if you are one of those chronically online people who choose to fight with an inexistent enemy

Guys for some reason decided this game is woke and are creating narratives to get angry for no reason. This is typical deranged political minions behavior. If you're like that, you're deranged 



axumblade said:
G2ThaUNiT said:

XDefiant is also a hero shooter disguising itself as a CoD clone lol making it unappealing to both fanbases. Really seems like the only hero shooter that might make it would be Marvel Rivals simply because it’s Marvel characters lol

Even that’s not a guarantee considering The Avengers was also known as a pretty massive flop. At least Rivals seems to have a roster of more than 12 characters (though a bit odd there are none of the fantastic four playable). 

True, but there are several notable differences. The Avengers was a live service looter game when the entire gaming community was expecting something like Insomniac's Spider-Man or Rocksteady's Batman Arkham style Action-Adventure games. I had quite a few in my discord server get refunds the day of release because the game was nothing like what they were expecting. 

Comparatively with Marvel Rivals, along with it being F2P, the game is anything but subtle about what it is. It's Overwatch with Marvel characters lol. I know the playtest was pretty successful. Reached over 50K concurrent players just on Steam. But yeah, while it's anything but a guarantee as OW2 is still insanely popular. Over 50 million active players reported back in January, we have seen cases where a game blows up, then almost immediately craters. 



SNY not too long ago. Hmmm so what now?



the-pi-guy said:

Lots of thoughts. 

I wonder what Sony will do, and if we'll ever find out why this happened. It feels like something Schreier would be looking into reporting on. 

Are they going to rework the game and go free to play?

Shut down the studio? 

Give them another chance?

A lot of this feels pretty unprecedented. There's plenty of game projects that have lost a lot of money. Sega cancelled Hyenas and that was a lot of lost money. But this has to be a contender for biggest loss for any released game ever, and unreleased too. 

I'm very surprised that Sony is pulling the plug already. I think chances are good that Firewalk is getting shut down. 

It had less players on it's open beta than closed beta, it won't go F2P.  There's no point.

Likely tasked with helping other games, I don't think they'll be shut down. Sony wants more new IP but I don't think they'll trust Firewalk to task alone.



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