Concord is Sony's biggest failure in gaming history.

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IcaroRibeiro said:

This whole pronouns discourse surrounding Concord is stupid and honestly a proof people choose to fight with ghosts

The cast of Concord has robots and humanoids aliens thst only barely resemble humans

The pronouns are just to identify what is the gender of the character. It's just that

Imagine if you could play C3PO from Star Wars, he's a robot and of course don't have sex, but he (look I'm using the pronoun "he") is clearly depicted as a male, this is C3PO gender

In fairytales and other kind of stories is common for beings that are otherwise not gendered to be portrayed as gendered, the pronouns are just a way to make the player understand what are the gender of the robots and non human characters


Social media have clearly rotten people brains if they can no longer understand how gender identity works in fiction without mixing up politics. If you really find a game that have its characters cast displayed on screen something to rage about you're just one of the a deranged and chronically online politics-obsessed person lol

I am afraid this is an assertion without proof, or even argument.

Yes, many words have grammatical genders. It is the same in my mother language (german) too. But the question is not if they have one. It is if that grammatical gender is directed and dictated by a social construct – our modern understanding of gender – or by sex. And gender as we understand it is so young, that it could not possibly have played a role in forming the decisions of what person gets what pronoun.

And I get that social roles can be old. But a man not conforming to social roles, or in fact exclusively practicing female social roles, would still be a man for all the understanding we had on this topic until five minutes ago.

Also, please consider this: gender, as modernity dictates, is a spectrum. So how come we only now get a spectrum of gendered pronouns and up until recently only had he/she – a binary? Because it is in direct relation to and consequence of another binary – sex. It is also an extremely modern mindset, that gender is everything and sex says rather little about an individual.

 

“The pronouns are just to identify what is the gender of the character. It’s just that.”

“The pronouns are just a way to make the player understand what are the gender of the robots and non-human characters”

A lot of people like the idea and theory of gender. But please note that it is just that, a theory. Set up in a way so it can never be proven or disproven. Unintelligible, non-empirical. My opinion, as I actually argued (above) is, that pronouns are not a way to identify what gender a character has, but what sex.

Now a robot does not have a sex. But it can be programmed to come across as if it had. And if alien reproduction turns out not to work like it does with the human binary sex, then perhaps different pronouns, like “it” could be in order. But I cannot imagine the concord devs thought so deeply about it.

But since pronoun choices also apply (presumably in concord too) to humans (and not just to robots and aliens) your point is moot again. Also, why choose pronouns at all, if they are dictated by how the fictional characters would feel inside or what social roles they take on? This at least should not be your choice but the characters. But since it is your choice, it is about you, not about humans, robots, aliens or anything else. This is just for the player. And this is also a common thread in the gender discourse – self-obsession – a downright recipe for unhappiness.

And please don’t call people deranged or having brain rot, just because they do not believe in this unproven gender theory and think that pronouns work differently than you do.