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Mnementh said:

You are right, but I usually don't care as I don't care about competitive sports to begin with. But yeah it is true and for people that are having difficulties to admit that: there are also sports in which competitors are separated by weight class. That's why at the start of a boxing event the contestant have to be weighed. People should ask themself, why this is happening and the answer is: otherwise it would be an unfair competition. Same with separating by gender. Allowing Transwomen is also unfair. So I don't know what trans athletes should do, maybe a transwomen and transmen category? People should consider that nobody is talking about transmen, and for good reason: transmen that have to compete with men cannot compete. Basically the reason why letting transwomen compete with women is unfair to women is the same reason why letting transmen compete with men is unfair to transmen. So putting up extra categories for transpeople seems to me currently the best option, but again: I am not into competitive sports.

But the more interesting part here is: Republicans blast ads about this issue? Everyone should ask themself why they do that. And the answer is: this issues puts the current educated left in an argumentative disadvantage because they willfully handicapped themself by not allowing themself to talk honest about it (like you did). This forum is very mixed politically, therefore you get away with saying that, on a more leftist forum you would get roasted for saying: "The problem with transwomen in women's sports is that you are effectively discriminating against women." Not because you are wrong, but because some people seem to think speaking honestly about true things is somehow discrimination.

A few posts above yours someone posted the reaction of Bernie Sanders and Seth Moulton. And apparently Moulton also adressed trans issues, and the article says: "also repeated comments about trans athletes he had earlier made in the New York Times that leaders in Salem and across Massachusetts have called harmful." So talking about trans in this way is considered harmful. So why are Republicans blasting these ads? Because Democrats either keep their mouth shut or start arguing between themself if they react on it. It is impossible for them to deal with this.

But there is a second reason: People - especially sports fans - may somewhat be invested in that question, but usually at election other issues are more pressing. Republicans effectively distract from all the stuff they don't look as good. See, Democrats would have also an easy in: just show an statistic how wealth among the TOP 1% and the lower 50% (or even 90%) developed over the last years and then show Trump being buddy-buddy with super rich starting with Musk. And asking: "Who will he make policies for?" That should be helpful.

The Democrats' ads I saw during the football game covered the angle you are suggesting. Likewise, Harris had spent plenty of time on her campaign talking about groceries still being too costly, housing being too expensive and other topics that address Americans regardless of their skin color and sex. It's just that all that fell mostly on deaf ears.

Political ads of both parties covered more than half of all commercial breaks, which is a damn lot when you consider that people watch sports because they don't want to think about politics.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

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IkePoR said:
Radek said:


Why are the guests on TV often so deranged?

Race hustlers gonna race hustle and it gets CNN desperate engagement.

It's MSNBC, and I think they are much worse than even CNN.



Adults in the room.



Anyway, my post-election plans are this. 

1. Get my passport. I have been meaning to do this for a while, now that I can afford to travel internationally. But especially now I'd rather spend the next 2-4 years vacationing abroad rather than domestically. 

2. Buy more guns and ammunition. Also increase/renew my food and safety cache that I started during the Covid quarantine. 

3. Donate more to the ACLU, NPR/PBS, local DSA and DSA-LSC, Pro-Housing Pittsburgh, Socialist Rifle Association, and mutual aid organizations for homeless people and undocumented workers. Advantage with NPR/PBS and a few others is that my donations are tax-deductible. 

I was planning to buy a house soon, but I am going to put that on pause until after 2026 at the soonest. Very much suspect that we will have a recession in the next two years, and don't want to have too much in non-liquid assets in that situation. 



LegitHyperbole said:
RolStoppable said:

That's misplaced sarcasm. There are plenty of black Republican politicians, including some that were endorsed by Trump, but none of that changes that he's a racist.

Hit me in layman terms for why he's a racist. I have not seen racially fueled actions or words from him, often the opposite. What actions has he taken that are racist as words can just be wind and all that. 

Also, how did you take misogyny and flip it into racism. Just to add, I'm not a trump devout nor am I interested in a long drawn out profanity, all or nothing argument like in this thread since election day or do I have the interest in the subject enough to do so. Please be civil. 

https://immigrationhistory.org/item/muslim-travel-ban/

And he wants to re-instate that again
https://time.com/7022828/trump-travel-ban-refugees-gaza/

Plenty racist words during his rallies.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/12/trump-racist-rhetoric-immigrants-00183537



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SvennoJ said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Hit me in layman terms for why he's a racist. I have not seen racially fueled actions or words from him, often the opposite. What actions has he taken that are racist as words can just be wind and all that. 

Also, how did you take misogyny and flip it into racism. Just to add, I'm not a trump devout nor am I interested in a long drawn out profanity, all or nothing argument like in this thread since election day or do I have the interest in the subject enough to do so. Please be civil. 

https://immigrationhistory.org/item/muslim-travel-ban/

And he wants to re-instate that again
https://time.com/7022828/trump-travel-ban-refugees-gaza/

Plenty racist words during his rallies.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/12/trump-racist-rhetoric-immigrants-00183537

Oh. 



Wow, who would have thunk a few months before now.....



And it looks like Ruben Gallego is going to win the last outstanding Senate race.

Arizona's Senate seats are safe through the entirety of Trump's term. Kelly is up in 2028.

Kari Lake is going to spend the next two years screeching about voter fraud, and will campaign for governor in 2026 on a platform of screeching about voter fraud. And I'll be right there to vote against her. 

Congratulations to Senator Gallego.

Buh-bye, Krazy Kari.



Arizona also passed the abortion rights amendment by almost as large a margin as Colorado did theirs, a margin large enough that it would have won under Florida's rules.



BFR said:
RolStoppable said:

Yes, I said as much. He has a few black buddies.

In the console wars, it has been a regular occurence that a Sony hater claimed owning a PS console as his proof that he can't be a Sony hater. That's obviously bullshit.

So Trump has a few black buddies, but that doesn't undo his many racist remarks and actions.

So Trump appoints a woman for chief of staff, but that doesn't undo all the times that he has treated women poorly.

This is very basic stuff, I am baffled that I even have to explain this.

What ???  Calm down, again please provide specific proof that he is a racist as you claim. Are you calling me a PS hater? I do recall in an older thread that I bought  a Genesis console, in the 90s, and later trashed Sega, in that thread.

EricHiggin said:
RolStoppable said:

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-racism-election-obama-018824651613

I am not calling you a PS hater. I say that you have a drinking problem.

Didn't Kamala sleep with her first boss once she became a prosecutor? Didn't she ruin his marriage and family? What does that make her today?

Didn't Kamala say she wouldn't take Trumps Covid vaccine? What does that make her today?

Is this how that works?

the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

Didn't Kamala sleep with her first boss once she became a prosecutor? Didn't she ruin his marriage and family? What does that make her today?

Didn't Kamala say she wouldn't take Trumps Covid vaccine? What does that make her today?

Is this how that works?

Great examples of misogyny Eric!

There were several years between when she became prosecutor. She became one in 1990, and started dating Willie in 1994. 

And no, she didn't ruin his marriage. His wife separated in 1982. 

And also no, she said she wouldn't trust the vaccine based on Trump's word, if competent research was done, she would trust that research. 

That is how that should work. If Joe Biden said "this new vaccine is super good", I wouldn't trust it. If 14 pieces of research were done about the new vaccine across the world and showed that it was extremely effective and safe, that's different.  

Trump vs Kamala is misogyny? Wait what?

Nope. The divorce didn't happen until after Kamala.

Did Kamala Harris Have an Extramarital Affair with Willie Brown That Boosted Her Career? | Snopes.com

Posts Mislead About Harris' Romance with Willie Brown - FactCheck.org

Nowhere near enough solid competent research had been done by the time Kamala got the vax, not even 14, yet she took it anyway. Why?

But hey, Biden also took the vax the same week Kamala did, and he also said he wouldn't take the Trump vax. Is this misandry, or elderlyandry?

Lots of misogyny and misandry going around these days, apparently.