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LegitHyperbole said:

Musk retweeted a sum up of the last few days. I'm feeling increasingly confident about this Givernment now that we are out of the media cycle spreading fear running up to the election. Let's see how he handles women's rights and obortion laws, I fully expect him to fight for pro choice. 

Go back to 2020 and world leaders were saying the same thing with BIden after he won.



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sc94597 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well, both the Democrats and Republicans have shifted further to the right so politically speaking the left doesn't really exist in the US anymore not on a national level anyway. 

Yep, pretty much. This is a chart I made a few years ago, and it still pretty much applies. 

The Democratic Party is mostly a centrist party, especially on economics. Maybe less so on cultural issues. 

I am doubtful about the preciseness of the placement, I don't think being left or right is easily expressed in one number. But I really love to find Rosa Luxemburg on that graph. She deserves the acknowledgment. And I want to add a reminder: Rosa Luxemburg was murdered on order by Gustav Noske, who wasn't a Nazi but a major SPD politician, the SPD being the major left or center-left party at the time.



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IkePoR said:
Chris Hu said:

Well, both the Democrats and Republicans have shifted further to the right so politically speaking the left doesn't really exist in the US anymore not on a national level anyway. 

How has the right shifted, exactly?

More importantly, how the HELL have the left shifted right?  On a national level, the democratic candidate hinged her entire campaign on abortion and LGBT.

And the rich is getting richer and workers have less rights. That is what left is being about, there once were strong unions and FDR had a major program of tax money helping the simple people.



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Betting markets nailed Trump's decisive win — and it's a good reminder they can be more accurate than polls

"In the weeks before Donald Trump's victory, polling showed the former president locked in a dead heat with Vice President Kamala Harris.

Prediction markets, though, told a different story.

Trump started showing a solid lead on betting markets like Polymarket, PredictIt, and Kalshi in mid-October, and those odds mostly rose in the weeks before Election Day.

The odds slightly narrowed in the few days before, but by the time the first major polls closed at 6 p.m. ET Tuesday evening, the markets showed around 60% odds for Trump."

https://www.businessinsider.com/betting-markets-polls-trump-election-win-polymarket-kalshi-2024-11



Mnementh said:

I am doubtful about the preciseness of the placement, I don't think being left or right is easily expressed in one number. But I really love to find Rosa Luxemburg on that graph. She deserves the acknowledgment. And I want to add a reminder: Rosa Luxemburg was murdered on order by Gustav Noske, who wasn't a Nazi but a major SPD politician, the SPD being the major left or center-left party at the time.

Yep, she was the quintessential Orthodox Marxist in my mind, so that's why I put her there. Basically started with the ideologies and then thought of who first came to mind associated with them. It's been a while since I read The Accumulation of Capital. Probably should re-read it. 



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Why are the guests on TV often so deranged?



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Radek said:


Why are the guests on TV often so deranged?

Race hustlers gonna race hustle and it gets CNN desperate engagement.



"You should be banned. Youre clearly flaming the president and even his brother who you know nothing about. Dont be such a partisan hack"

Not sure if a slight Democratic win or a 218R-217D house would be preferable haha. 

In scenario #1, Jeffries gets to determine what is up for vote in the house. 

In scenario #2, pure chaos with a GOP trifecta and a never-ending cycle of speaker fights and government funding crises until the mid-terms. Plus no Republican can be absent, die, or resign.  

In an alternative universe where moderate Republicans still existed in the house you could see a sort of American version of a cross-party "Grand Coalition" happen, but the House is either Tea Party or MAGA now, with some swing district Republicans pretending not to be. 

Edit: Also in either scenario Trump has much more incentive to do tariffs because nothing else can really get done and he has that power. 

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IkePoR said:
Chris Hu said:

Well, both the Democrats and Republicans have shifted further to the right so politically speaking the left doesn't really exist in the US anymore not on a national level anyway. 

How has the right shifted, exactly?

More importantly, how the HELL have the left shifted right?  On a national level, the democratic candidate hinged her entire campaign on abortion and LGBT.

Abortion: 5 out of 7 of the original Supreme Court justices that effectively paved the way for abortion to be legal, were Republican appointed. 

Greater LGBT acceptance is one of a few things that the parties have shifted a little bit left.

We're a long ways away from left wingers busting down corporations, building up unions. 

A large chunk of the 1900's had 70-90% marginal tax rate for upper income. 

The EPA was created by Richard Nixon by an executive order. The Affordable Care Act/Obamacare is heavily based on Republican proposals and healthcare bills. 

There are Republicans today that run on dismantling the very things that they were pushing just 20 years ago. 

And Democrats are not generally pushing for the same kinds of left wing policy that I was mentioning. 

Economic policy for both parties is much more right wing than it used to be. 

Socially, a lot of left wing policy has won out.