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Was there nothing on Russia-Ukraine? Shame since Vance arguably has even worse public statements on Ukraine than even Donald Trump and not just public statements but voting records to back it up too, Harris was able to expertly work Polish-Americans into her criticism of Trump's stance on Ukraine and it would have been even easier to blast Vance on it too.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 02 October 2024

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Ryuu96 said:

Was there nothing on Russia-Ukraine? Shame since Vance arguably has even worse public statements on Ukraine than even Donald Trump and not just public statements but voting records to back it up too, Harris was able to expertly work Polish-Americans into her criticism of Trump's stance on Ukraine and it would have been even easier to blast Vance on it too.

That was like 2 wars ago. Get with the times.



Jumpin said:
Jumpin said:

Harris has caught back up to her previous lead after a dip down to a lesser lead before the debate.

Source of poll
aggregation
Dates
administered
Dates
updated
Kamala
Harris

Democratic
Donald
Trump

Republican
Others/
Undecided
[a]
Margin
RealClearPoliticsSeptember 3 – September 15, 2024September 18, 202449.3%47.3%3.4%Harris +2.0%
Race to the WHthrough September 18, 2024September 18, 202450.0%45.9%4.1%Harris +4.1%
Decision Desk HQ/The Hillthrough September 18, 2024September 18, 202449.7%46.0%4.3%Harris +3.7%
270toWinthrough September 18, 2024September 18, 202448.5%45.4%6.1%Harris +3.1%
FiveThirtyEightthrough September 18, 2024September 18, 202448.5%45.2%6.3%Harris +3.3%
Silver Bulletinthrough September 18, 2024September 18, 202449.1%46.0%4.9%Harris +3.1%
Average49.2%46.0%4.9%Harris +3.2%

Now at new heights:

Source of poll
aggregation
Dates
administered
Dates
updated
Kamala
Harris

Democratic
Donald
Trump

Republican
Others/
Undecided
[a]
Margin
RealClearPoliticsSeptember 11 – September 25, 2024September 30, 202449.1%47.1%3.8%Harris +2.0%
Race to the WHthrough September 26, 2024September 30, 202450.0%46.1%3.9%Harris +3.9%
Decision Desk HQ/The Hillthrough September 27, 2024September 30, 202450.0%45.8%4.2%Harris +4.2%
270toWinthrough September 27, 2024September 30, 202449.7%45.7%4.6%Harris +4.0%
FiveThirtyEightthrough September 26, 2024September 30, 202448.4%45.7%5.8%Harris +2.8%
Silver Bulletinthrough September 26, 2024September 30, 202449.2%46.0%4.8%Harris +3.2%
Average49.4%46.0%4.4%Harris +3.4%

New update with the Harris campaign widening the gap to new heights again. This time the aggregate average is up by 3.6%

Source of poll
Source of poll
aggregation
Dates
administered
Dates
updated
Kamala 
Harris

Democratic
Donald
Trump

Republican
Others/
Undecided
[a]
Margin
RealClearPoliticsSeptember 11 – October 1, 2024October 2, 202449.2%47.0%3.8%Harris +2.2%
Race to the WHthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202450.1%46.1%3.8%Harris +4.0%
Decision Desk HQ/The Hillthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.9%45.3%4.8%Harris +4.6%
270toWinthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.9%45.4%4.7%Harris +4.5%
FiveThirtyEightthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202448.5%45.7%5.8%Harris +2.8%
Silver Bulletinthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.4%45.9%4.7%Harris +3.5%
Average49.6%46.0%4.4%Harris +3.6%
49.6%46.0%4.4%Harris 


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Jumpin said:
Jumpin said:

Now at new heights:

Source of poll
aggregation
Dates
administered
Dates
updated
Kamala
Harris

Democratic
Donald
Trump

Republican
Others/
Undecided
[a]
Margin
RealClearPoliticsSeptember 11 – September 25, 2024September 30, 202449.1%47.1%3.8%Harris +2.0%
Race to the WHthrough September 26, 2024September 30, 202450.0%46.1%3.9%Harris +3.9%
Decision Desk HQ/The Hillthrough September 27, 2024September 30, 202450.0%45.8%4.2%Harris +4.2%
270toWinthrough September 27, 2024September 30, 202449.7%45.7%4.6%Harris +4.0%
FiveThirtyEightthrough September 26, 2024September 30, 202448.4%45.7%5.8%Harris +2.8%
Silver Bulletinthrough September 26, 2024September 30, 202449.2%46.0%4.8%Harris +3.2%
Average49.4%46.0%4.4%Harris +3.4%

New update with the Harris campaign widening the gap to new heights again. This time the aggregate average is up by 3.6%

Source of poll
Source of poll
aggregation
Dates
administered
Dates
updated
Kamala 
Harris

Democratic
Donald
Trump

Republican
Others/
Undecided
[a]
Margin
RealClearPoliticsSeptember 11 – October 1, 2024October 2, 202449.2%47.0%3.8%Harris +2.2%
Race to the WHthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202450.1%46.1%3.8%Harris +4.0%
Decision Desk HQ/The Hillthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.9%45.3%4.8%Harris +4.6%
270toWinthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.9%45.4%4.7%Harris +4.5%
FiveThirtyEightthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202448.5%45.7%5.8%Harris +2.8%
Silver Bulletinthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.4%45.9%4.7%Harris +3.5%
Average49.6%46.0%4.4%Harris +3.6%
49.6%46.0%4.4%Harris 

Problem is that she's juuuuuuuust at the bare minimum of what she'd need to win. Hillary won by I believe about 2% in the popular vote but somehow lost because the system is fucked. So, these results show Kamala winning by juuuuuust enough, and of course polls could be wrong.

The good news though is I think it's unlikely that Trump's support is underestimated in these polls. In 2016, Trump had a little over 46% of the vote. In 2020 a little under that. So, unless Trump has somehow gained a lot of support, he doesn't have  much room for improvement. And... I really just don't see Trump improving over four years ago. If anything, we would expect the opposite considering who is entering and leaving the voting pool. The undecideds should, at worse, break even, and more likely will go more for Harris.



JWeinCom said:

Problem is that she's juuuuuuuust at the bare minimum of what she'd need to win. Hillary won by I believe about 2% in the popular vote but somehow lost because the system is fucked. So, these results show Kamala winning by juuuuuust enough, and of course polls could be wrong.

The good news though is I think it's unlikely that Trump's support is underestimated in these polls. In 2016, Trump had a little over 46% of the vote. In 2020 a little under that. So, unless Trump has somehow gained a lot of support, he doesn't have  much room for improvement. And... I really just don't see Trump improving over four years ago. If anything, we would expect the opposite considering who is entering and leaving the voting pool. The undecideds should, at worse, break even, and more likely will go more for Harris.

The problem you are talking about concerns the fundamentals of your dumb voting system, but the actual takeaway from the polling average should be that Harris keeps steadily improving. While early voting has already started in some states, there's still a whole month left until election day. By that time the average lead should be above 4.0%, perhaps even closer to 5.0% because Trump's mental state gets more unstable by the week.



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JWeinCom said:
Jumpin said:

New update with the Harris campaign widening the gap to new heights again. This time the aggregate average is up by 3.6%

Source of poll
Source of poll
aggregation
Dates
administered
Dates
updated
Kamala 
Harris

Democratic
Donald
Trump

Republican
Others/
Undecided
[a]
Margin
RealClearPoliticsSeptember 11 – October 1, 2024October 2, 202449.2%47.0%3.8%Harris +2.2%
Race to the WHthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202450.1%46.1%3.8%Harris +4.0%
Decision Desk HQ/The Hillthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.9%45.3%4.8%Harris +4.6%
270toWinthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.9%45.4%4.7%Harris +4.5%
FiveThirtyEightthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202448.5%45.7%5.8%Harris +2.8%
Silver Bulletinthrough October 2, 2024October 2, 202449.4%45.9%4.7%Harris +3.5%
Average49.6%46.0%4.4%Harris +3.6%
49.6%46.0%4.4%Harris 

Problem is that she's juuuuuuuust at the bare minimum of what she'd need to win. Hillary won by I believe about 2% in the popular vote but somehow lost because the system is fucked. So, these results show Kamala winning by juuuuuust enough, and of course polls could be wrong.

The good news though is I think it's unlikely that Trump's support is underestimated in these polls. In 2016, Trump had a little over 46% of the vote. In 2020 a little under that. So, unless Trump has somehow gained a lot of support, he doesn't have  much room for improvement. And... I really just don't see Trump improving over four years ago. If anything, we would expect the opposite considering who is entering and leaving the voting pool. The undecideds should, at worse, break even, and more likely will go more for Harris.

Important to remember, though that it's all just about the distribution. Democrats have been losing ground in places like NY and CA where republicans are so far off they can't possibly have a shot, so if you maintain the same popular vote lead but more of that is distributed in the correct states you're set. 's why you're best off keeping track of the meaningful individual state polling rather than the overall number though that can give you current trends. 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/ There's a "path to 270" visual on this page that kinda shows you the true state of thing. 



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The main reason Trump lost the popular vote is because he fares terribly on the West Coast, if he had Romney-like splits there he would have won the popular vote in 2016 and came within 2-3 points in 2020.

Now he could have a lot more Hispanic and NY votes but that won't help him flip any states except maybe AZ.



 

 

 

 

 

Best quote of the night.



RolStoppable said:

On a sidenote, American campaigns take forever. For example, Austria elected a new government this past Sunday. An election in late September means that campaigns start in earnest in early September, so it's all done in a single month. We only needed a few weeks to make our fascist party win the election.

LOL. But be assured, you can blame germany for it:

https://www.der-postillon.com/2024/09/ampel-schuld.html



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Austria's far-right winning, Hungary already having a far-right government and the far-right increasing in Germany.

Joking But it is a bit worrying, from an individual countries perspective, doesn't help that they all suck up to Russia too.