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Should comedians have boundaries?

Yes 12 20.34%
 
No 47 79.66%
 
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I think it depends on the comedian. If they are popular they can get away with anything.

If they are up and coming, then they are easy targets for loosing jobs.

In reality if people supposedly think and keep saying we are all equal then it shouldn't matter as long as the joke is delivered without malice intent.



 

 

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CourageTCD said:
KLXVER said:

So which comedians do you think should face legal consequences for their comedy?

The ones that, by doing what I've said, break the law. That's why I said "legal consequences"

"We strongly support artistic freedom worldwide and removed this episode only in Saudi Arabia after we had received a valid legal demand from the government -- and to comply with local law," a Netflix spokesperson said in an emailed statement."

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/netflix-reportedly-pulls-episode-of-comedy-show-to-satisfy-saudi-arabia/

So, you mean this one? This is an example of legal consequences from a comedians bit.



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Runa216 said:

Comedy is about balance. If something is offensive, it needs to also be either making a point or absurd to the point nobody would take it seriously. If you're just punching down (Using 'comedy' as an excuse to perpetuate racial, ethnic, or other stereotypes, or to shit on marginalized groups), then that's not comedy. That's mean spirited and harmful.

George Carlin and Bo Burnham are two great examples of comedians who say horrendously offensive things, and both are funny as fuck because their audience understands that what they're saying is self depreciative, absurd, or actually making a point about something.

Dave Chapelle is just shitting on trans people. Most conservative comedians are just using comedy as an excuse to justify their bigotry or normalize it.

You need to find that line. Comedy is pushing boundaries, not leaping over them and firmly planting yourself on the wrong side of history.

I think George Carlin and Dave Chapelle are equally funny. And Chapelle makes mostly jokes about black people.



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I'm so glad I didn't grow up in the generations where hurt feelings are considered a massive offense and the number 1 problem in America.

Luckily I was taught nothing is free and nobody owes me anything. Great reality checks that allowed me to make my way in the real world.



I realize I only reacted to posts of others, not stating my position.

I think Comedians should get away with more, because they have an important function in society: they point out the parts that are rotten and that people are to quick to dismiss, because they don't want to see the bad parts of themself. We can utilize this as an early warning systems about things, we should at least consider more deeply.

This can be elevated: if you start dividing comedians into good comedians and bad comedians not based on the quality of the jokes, but based on the targets of their jokes, maybe you don't *want* to see some parts. Especially if others may find the same comedian you think is abhorrent funny, while they think the comedian you think is funny crossed a line. This points more to the fact that you can laugh about the faults of others than about your own.

I also want to point out, that trying to get a comedian removed from a platform (like happened with Chapelle's Sticks&Stones) is a strange hill to die on, if at the same time people die in wars or closer to home people die because of the shitty health care system. Seeing a comedian as the more important topic to invest a lot of energy on (more than just a bit of grumble on social media, which a campaign to remove it from a streaming service is), seems to point to a certain level of privilege and entitlement. Maybe invest that energy into actually saving peoples lives.

Moreover, I am all for effective action. Are there comedians I think are unfunny and cross my personal lines? Sure as hell. But I tend to ignore them - for good reason. The more people publicly criticize a comedian, the more publicity that show and person gets. For the Zoomers here: this is called Streisand-effect, and it showed again and again how it works. I am sure the protest against Chapelle made more people watch the show, and as you get more context from the full show than some tidbits cited on social media, most of them will be less offended, as they see it in it's whole. If a comedian really crosses a line for most people, most people also will move away and the comedian will be delisted from streaming services automatically - because Netflix and the others want to make money, and they don't make it from stuff nobody watches. That's why ignoring what you find offensive is by far the more effective action you can take against comedians that offend you.

That all said: I obviously think comedians shouldn't start shooting their audience or stuff like that. So yes, some boundaries are always there. but we all should consider being offended as an invitation to think about our own positions a bit. Maybe we are right to be offended, but maybe we can see how other people can have different opinions, even if we don't adopt them ourself.



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Imagine if these guys had boundaries.

Short form:

Medium Form:

TV Shows:

Bill Burr's epic 2006 meltdown against Philadelphia that he was sure was going to destroy his career:

Complete coincidence that both the last two videos deal with Philadelphia. They have this liberty bell thing in the city.

So, I have a favourite joke directed at Philadelphia's tourists: "Come for the beer, stay for the crack."

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Mnementh said:
CourageTCD said:

The ones that, by doing what I've said, break the law. That's why I said "legal consequences"

"We strongly support artistic freedom worldwide and removed this episode only in Saudi Arabia after we had received a valid legal demand from the government -- and to comply with local law," a Netflix spokesperson said in an emailed statement."

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/netflix-reportedly-pulls-episode-of-comedy-show-to-satisfy-saudi-arabia/

So, you mean this one? This is an example of legal consequences from a comedians bit.

No, because in this situation, as far as I understood, the demand for legal consequences came from the government



CourageTCD said:
Mnementh said:

"We strongly support artistic freedom worldwide and removed this episode only in Saudi Arabia after we had received a valid legal demand from the government -- and to comply with local law," a Netflix spokesperson said in an emailed statement."

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/netflix-reportedly-pulls-episode-of-comedy-show-to-satisfy-saudi-arabia/

So, you mean this one? This is an example of legal consequences from a comedians bit.

No, because in this situation, as far as I understood, the demand for legal consequences came from the government

Aren't legal consequences always enforced by the governing bodies of a state? I am quite confused by this answer.



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Mnementh said:
CourageTCD said:

No, because in this situation, as far as I understood, the demand for legal consequences came from the government

Aren't legal consequences always enforced by the governing bodies of a state? I am quite confused by this answer.

Yes, they are. What I meant is, in this situation, it was the government who requested the penaulty or whatever happended against the comedian/comedy tv show for making fun or criticize the government



CourageTCD said:
Mnementh said:

Aren't legal consequences always enforced by the governing bodies of a state? I am quite confused by this answer.

Yes, they are. What I meant is, in this situation, it was the government who requested the penaulty or whatever happended against the comedian/comedy tv show for making fun or criticize the government

Yeah, that's how things happen on an international level, as Netflix is a foreign company for them.



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