the-pi-guy said:JuliusHackebeil said:
But who is to decide what is a joke and what is thinly veiled hate speech? If you give that freedom to the government, they will decide for you. And you are bound to hate one of their decisions eventually. |
I've literally said 0 things about the government. I'm just talking about an idealized standard. In practice, this is currently handled by the market. People decide which comedians they want to go to. Companies decide whether they want to support a comedian. Whether that company is one of the broadcast networks or a private bar. That is their right. Can't force companies to give money to comedians they don't want to support. Can't force people to go to a comedy act they don't want to support. |
I don't know man. Perhaps I am just projecting, but I sense the movement of a goal post. Sure you did not say anything about the government. But you did say it was key to find out if something is thinly veiled hate speech or not. And how do we find that out? Your position seems to be: everyone for themselves. So your answer to the central question in the op would be "no, comedians should not have any limits". They can say whatever they want and if what they say is wrong, soon nobody would listen anymore. Free market, like you said.
And yet, you also said the problem is punching down. But who would stop people from punching down?
You said the problem is that some people push power over others. But who is to decide on what people in what instances have what sorts of transgressions? Speech transgressions mind you. Pushing power by saying stuff in a comedy show.
Then you said the real issue is being condescending and if you make holocaust jokes without being condescending, that is alright. So again, who is to say when somebody was a littel or too condescending?
You are saying free market - good comedians will float, bad ones will go under. But you are also saying that you think there is always a boundary. How so? Just for you personally than?
And if you are talking about an idealized standard, this is just your indivifual ideal and comedians should not have boundaries? -Because you would realize that comedians should not have your individual boundaries, since you are not the measurement for comedy, right?
In short, I am confused. The op asks if comedians should have boundaries. You seemed to argue for boundaries. But now not so much. So, should they have boundaries? Or are you just saying that YOU have boundaries and comedians should always be able to freely choose to respect or discard these? And if so, why even bring this up? -There is stuff others find funny that you would not? That you would be offended by? Not exactly a shocker, since you also (rightly) pointed out that different people have different standards.
And lastly, how would that standard you are talking about be ideal? Just for you, right?