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Dulfite said:

PS2 has a massive *

Probably 20-30 million PS2 sales, at least, came from people simply wanting a cheaper DVD player and not even interested in games.

Anyone who buys a NS does so to play games. NS won this battle already.

PS2 tie ratio was 9.68 games per console sold

Switch 8.58 games per console sold 

Your guess do not look grounded in reality 



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Switch is going to outsell PS2



Shtinamin_ said:

Honestly, it is very up in the air. But here are some thoughts

  1. NG releases in 2024.
    Switch will not surpass PS2 unless the price is lowered by $100 of each iteration.
  2. NG releases in 2025
    Switch will be able to, if the NG is backwards compatible, and the Switch iterations are $100 off.
  3. NG is counted as Switch sales, like how GBC sales were counted as GB sales
    Switch sales will be near 210M.
  4. Switch doesn't receive drops in price. It will not surpass PS2 and will end up at 155M max.

Switch needs to sell *on average 11.5M units for 2 consecutive years  (Switch has at least 2 more decent years left until it crawls). That will be extremely difficult, especially if the NG releases sooner than later.
Nintendo stated that they will be supporting Switch to at least a minimum of March 31 2025. So we guarantee another year and 3 months of Switch hardware selling.
Nintendo has also stated that selling 15M for the year will be a challenge, but it looks like it will land at 14M (as long as Dec lands near 135M).
I think Nintendo will plan to sell 10M for the following year. So after that we will be near 148M sold as of March 31 2025. From there it will need to sell another 10.7M. Most consoles sell for 10 years, but usually Nintendo stops production of the older console 3 years after the new generation. So we could see Nintendo still producing Nintendo Switch until 2027 or 2028 (depending on a 2024 or 2025 release date).
So after March 2025 Nintendo needs to sell 10M units until 2027. That seems doable, especially if the price is reduced. But all of these dominoes have to fall in order for 159M+ units sold.

*it used to say that Switch needed to sell 11.5M units in 2 years, now that statement has been fixed to Switch needs to sell on average 11.5M units for 2 consecutive years

3. has a good chance of happening. However, I don't understand why you give the New Switch only 60 mil max. sales? The New Switch will be market as a brand new system, only investors and nerds will know that Nintendo counts its sales numbers to the original Switch.

Also, in general, we should not think too much about what Nintendo did in the past, like killing off old consoles very fast. Its their first hybrid console and a VERY successful one. There's nothing we can take from the past. It's an all new situation with a new Nintendo President who's having his first console transition.



If Nintendo wanted to make Switch best selling console of all time, I'm pretty sure they could (slash prices, increase marketing budget, release new bundles/SKUs, delay successor), but they're not going to take a loss or compromise the release of their new system in any way because of one metric, which at this point in time is irrelevant anyway as they long passed their peak growth and with it, spend per customer. So, no. I don't think Switch will surpass the PS2 as it would have to be one of the Nintendo's goals, which I'm sure it isn't.

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IcaroRibeiro said:
Dulfite said:

PS2 has a massive *

Probably 20-30 million PS2 sales, at least, came from people simply wanting a cheaper DVD player and not even interested in games.

Anyone who buys a NS does so to play games. NS won this battle already.

PS2 tie ratio was 9.68 games per console sold

Switch 8.58 games per console sold 

Your guess do not look grounded in reality 

Yeah, I doubt many people bought it solely for being a DVD player, however I think many people chose a PS2 over the competition because it had a DVD player included. Like, why buy a DVD player and Dreamcast/GameCube/Xbox (I know Xbox could with an add-on) when I can just get a PS2?

Obviously there was a lot more to PS2 being such a juggernaut like coming off the success of PS1 and having huge exclusive/timed exclusive franchises like Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, etc. but I think DVD playback right out of the box was a big deal at the time.



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Kristof81 said:

If Nintendo wanted to make Switch best selling console of all time, I'm pretty sure they could (slash prices, increase marketing budget, release new bundles/SKUs, delay successor), but they're not going to take a loss or compromise the release of their new system in any way because of one metric, which at this point in time is irrelevant anyway as they long passed their peak growth and with it, spend per customer. So, no. I don't think Switch will surpass the PS2 as it would have to be one of the Nintendo's goals, which I'm sure it isn't.

Agreed. As I've said several times (as others have too) Switch already holds the crown for the most profitable platform of all-time from sales data. Nintendo cares far more about that than bragging rights of surpassing the DS and PS2. They've already surpassed PS4 and GB+GBC. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 151 million (was 73, then 96, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million)

PS5: 115 million (was 105 million) Xbox Series S/X: 57 million (was 60 million, then 67 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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IcaroRibeiro said:
Dulfite said:

PS2 has a massive *

Probably 20-30 million PS2 sales, at least, came from people simply wanting a cheaper DVD player and not even interested in games.

Anyone who buys a NS does so to play games. NS won this battle already.

PS2 tie ratio was 9.68 games per console sold

Switch 8.58 games per console sold 

Your guess do not look grounded in reality 

Console tie ratios increase over time due to software sales having a different trajectory than console sales. So Switch is very possible to have a better tie ratio than PS2 along with not even having all of it's games counted. Nintendo doesn't include digital only software like Sony does for PS4 and PS5. Regardless your overall point was to establish PS2 wasn't just a DVD player, which is correct and the vast majority was certainly buying for it to be their gaming console.



IcaroRibeiro said:
Dulfite said:

PS2 has a massive *

Probably 20-30 million PS2 sales, at least, came from people simply wanting a cheaper DVD player and not even interested in games.

Anyone who buys a NS does so to play games. NS won this battle already.

PS2 tie ratio was 9.68 games per console sold

Switch 8.58 games per console sold 

Your guess do not look grounded in reality 

PS2 launched in an economically successful era. The housing market collapse didn't happen until 8-9 years after PS2 launched.

NS launched in 2017 and by the beginning of 2020 the global economy went to the toilet. Shortages, mass layoffs, stock market values plummeting, mass inflation. People got really picky on what they spent money on for 1/2 to 2/3rd's of the NS' life cycle, and yet it *still* came close to having a better games to console ratio than the PS2.

And that's without even going into the fact that towards the last few years of the PS2's life they sold it for dirt cheap so people would buy more games, inflating those numbers more, whereas Nintendo is still selling the NS at a large profit point per console sold.



Dulfite said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

PS2 tie ratio was 9.68 games per console sold

Switch 8.58 games per console sold 

Your guess do not look grounded in reality 

PS2 launched in an economically successful era. The housing market collapse didn't happen until 8-9 years after PS2 launched.

NS launched in 2017 and by the beginning of 2020 the global economy went to the toilet. Shortages, mass layoffs, stock market values plummeting, mass inflation. People got really picky on what they spent money on for 1/2 to 2/3rd's of the NS' life cycle, and yet it *still* came close to having a better games to console ratio than the PS2.

And that's without even going into the fact that towards the last few years of the PS2's life they sold it for dirt cheap so people would buy more games, inflating those numbers more, whereas Nintendo is still selling the NS at a large profit point per console sold.

None of that has anything to do with his point. PS2 has a high tie ratio. The DVD myth needs to stop being parotted especially to the degree of "Probably 20-30 million PS2 sales, at least, came from people simply wanting a cheaper DVD player".

The vast majority of buyers bought it to play games.

Also "PS2's life they sold it for dirt cheap so people would buy more games, inflating those numbers more" I'm not sure you understand how tie ratio works. Selling hardware dirt cheap would lower the tie ratio if anything.