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CaptainExplosion said:
Mar1217 said:

1) The ones featured in the Directs are mostly the game directors and staff so likely have nothing to do with the kind of behavior described

2) Also, this rumor is about the Pokémon Company, why bring up Nintendo in the whole picture?

3) Rumors are rumors ...

Because The Pokemon Company is a Nintendo affiliate.

But the managerial board there is different. Nintendo has only a partial ownership of the entity, that's it. 

The Pokémon Company has always acted of it's own, with or without Nintendo's word.



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Mar1217 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Because The Pokemon Company is a Nintendo affiliate.

But the managerial board there is different. Nintendo has only a partial ownership of the entity, that's it. 

The Pokémon Company has always acted of it's own, with or without Nintendo's word.

I think that needs to change in my opinion

Everyone talking about how Microsoft is buying companies and how Sony should acquire square enix, meanwhile I'm here asking, when is Nintendo just going to buy gamefreak?



Kneetos said:
Mar1217 said:

But the managerial board there is different. Nintendo has only a partial ownership of the entity, that's it. 

The Pokémon Company has always acted of it's own, with or without Nintendo's word.

I think that needs to change in my opinion

Everyone talking about how Microsoft is buying companies and how Sony should acquire square enix, meanwhile I'm here asking, when is Nintendo just going to buy gamefreak?

I'm shocked they didn't do that years ago, even more shocked than I am that they didn't acquire Rare when they had the opportunity. Sure it was bleeding talent at the time, but they could have still brought in new blood. Most companies do that all the time, right?



Kneetos said:
Mar1217 said:

But the managerial board there is different. Nintendo has only a partial ownership of the entity, that's it. 

The Pokémon Company has always acted of it's own, with or without Nintendo's word.

I think that needs to change in my opinion

Everyone talking about how Microsoft is buying companies and how Sony should acquire square enix, meanwhile I'm here asking, when is Nintendo just going to buy gamefreak?

But why?

GameFreak is nothing without the Pokemon IP and they can't take the IP with them anywhere. That's where value is for Nintendo, not GF as a developer.



Probably coincidence, given that both are based on an existing Pokemon music theme. There's a lot of music that sounds like other music, that's why there are endless dumb "you copied this chord progression" lawsuits...

The music style is pretty derivative to start with... it's something we've heard 100 times before, just Pokemon version.



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twintail said:
Kneetos said:

I think that needs to change in my opinion

Everyone talking about how Microsoft is buying companies and how Sony should acquire square enix, meanwhile I'm here asking, when is Nintendo just going to buy gamefreak?

But why?

GameFreak is nothing without the Pokemon IP and they can't take the IP with them anywhere. That's where value is for Nintendo, not GF as a developer.

Isn't TPC a subsidiary of gamefreak

Wouldn't Nintendo buying gamefreak not get them Pokémon as well?



Don't really see the issue tbh. Yeah getting credited for it woulda been nice (assuming they did use fan music) but it's essentially copyright-free work. Most people would be happy to see it being used. The Pokemon Company hires a lot of individuals like with their arts and animations. I wouldn't be surprised if they hire or contract random editors, and that editor probably searched up the music on YT and used it. Which is completely fine

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Kneetos said:
Mar1217 said:

But the managerial board there is different. Nintendo has only a partial ownership of the entity, that's it. 

The Pokémon Company has always acted of it's own, with or without Nintendo's word.

I think that needs to change in my opinion

Everyone talking about how Microsoft is buying companies and how Sony should acquire square enix, meanwhile I'm here asking, when is Nintendo just going to buy gamefreak?

Microsoft does that because, by their own words, they suck when it comes to the video game industry. But they have a lot of money and have chosen swallowing up about half of it as their strategy for success and figure one day they’ll simply own it all.

Nintendo operates on different values, and has found success in different ways.



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Kneetos said:
twintail said:

But why?

GameFreak is nothing without the Pokemon IP and they can't take the IP with them anywhere. That's where value is for Nintendo, not GF as a developer.

Isn't TPC a subsidiary of gamefreak

Wouldn't Nintendo buying gamefreak not get them Pokémon as well?

Yeah buying GameFreak would make Nintendo's possession in the Pokemon Company above 50% making it their subsidiary. Meaning then, they would truly own the rights to the Pokemon IP. Since the other 30ish% is hold by Creatures (which is essentially a company Nintendo created with former president Satoru Iwata) it would basically be theirs. Don't really understand why they founded Creatures Inc, but perhaps they wanted it so nobody truly owns the Pokemon IP, and it's kind of in the air. GameFreak at the time (and probably still now) most likely didn't want to let go of the rights, nor wanted to split it 50/50 like for Kirby, due to the fear of a fight breaking out over the rights or something (completely my speculation). That's why it's divided into 3, like the mythical Pokemons from the Sinnoh region in a way. So unless that feeling changes from the people at the top, it won't change the ownership of TCP. And Nintendo themselves probably doesn't want to risk that discussion, as power and ownership is a sensitive topic from what I see with experience.

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Kneetos said:
twintail said:

But why?

GameFreak is nothing without the Pokemon IP and they can't take the IP with them anywhere. That's where value is for Nintendo, not GF as a developer.

Isn't TPC a subsidiary of gamefreak

Wouldn't Nintendo buying gamefreak not get them Pokémon as well?

Well to a degree sure. They wouldn't own Pokemon entirely though.

But I think my point still stands. GameFreak isn't going anywhere, so there's no need for Nintendo to go about acquiring them. i also don't think Nintendo is interested in going for full 100% ownership, that means everything about the production distribution and localisation of everything pokemon related goes through them. It's a lot of added work for them to control and oversee.