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RolStoppable said:

haxxiy said:

All this sounds like you are bending definitions to make them fit your argument, in particular the slight that games are designed for young audiences.

When you call DKCR (and presumably its sequel Tropical Freeze) real challenges, then there isn't a significant difference between them and all the other 2D games mentioned. The games don't get difficult until the postgame content. Even for Forgotten Land that's true where things culminate with a coliseum boss battle series. There's some variation in just how difficult things get in any of the games, but the conclusion that the games were made for kids doesn't hold water.

As for 3D Mario games aside from 3D Land and 3D World which are different (also more difficult, hence why especially the latter got hate from the hardcore 3D Mario fans, including the complaint about time limits), the inclusion of life bars and the like doesn't change anything about the significantly reduced amount of instant death hazards and the fact that the vast majority of enemies can be conveniently ignored by simply walking around them.

Lastly, it should actually be obvious that 2D Mario games are made for a broader age bracket than 3D Mario games, hence why they sell better. The common belief on the internet may be that 3D Mario is grown-up Mario, but there just aren't reasonable arguments to make that case.

I mean, it's you who seems to think that saying a game is designed for a younger audience is a bad thing. Also the only person in the planet who thinks Yoshi and Kirby are as difficult as DKC.

I see that being thrown a lot: retorting that some Nintendo games are family games, not children's games, as if the latter was some sort of poisonous label and the former (arbitrarily slapped label) elevates them to a higher level.

Just admit that you like children's games and don't mind them being easy (because they need to be easy for that age bracket).

It's fine, Rol.



 

 

 

 

 

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haxxiy said:
RolStoppable said:

All this sounds like you are bending definitions to make them fit your argument, in particular the slight that games are designed for young audiences.

When you call DKCR (and presumably its sequel Tropical Freeze) real challenges, then there isn't a significant difference between them and all the other 2D games mentioned. The games don't get difficult until the postgame content. Even for Forgotten Land that's true where things culminate with a coliseum boss battle series. There's some variation in just how difficult things get in any of the games, but the conclusion that the games were made for kids doesn't hold water.

As for 3D Mario games aside from 3D Land and 3D World which are different (also more difficult, hence why especially the latter got hate from the hardcore 3D Mario fans, including the complaint about time limits), the inclusion of life bars and the like doesn't change anything about the significantly reduced amount of instant death hazards and the fact that the vast majority of enemies can be conveniently ignored by simply walking around them.

Lastly, it should actually be obvious that 2D Mario games are made for a broader age bracket than 3D Mario games, hence why they sell better. The common belief on the internet may be that 3D Mario is grown-up Mario, but there just aren't reasonable arguments to make that case.

I mean, it's you who seems to think that saying a game is designed for a younger audience is a bad thing. Also the only person in the planet who thinks Yoshi and Kirby are as difficult as DKC.

I see that being thrown a lot: retorting that some Nintendo games are family games, not children's games, as if the latter was some sort of poisonous label and the former (arbitrarily slapped label) elevates them to a higher level.

Just admit that you like children's games and don't mind them being easy (because they need to be easy for that age bracket).

It's fine, Rol.

If we use the marketing perspective which they use to sell people their games, yes some of the games are mostly hinging in the family games category or most notably like the E for everyone meaning they've mostly specific at the biggest target demographic possible, everyone. 



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There hasn't been a huge disparity between sales of 2D and 3D Mario games for while now.

3DS
NSMB2 - 13.41 million
Mario 3D Land - 12.87 million

Wii U
NSMBU - 5.82 million
Mario 3D World - 5.89 million

Switch
Mario Odyssey - 25.76 million
NSMBU Deluxe - 15.41 million
Mario 3D World + BF - 11.38 million
Super Mario 3D All-Stars - 9.08 million (limited release)

3D Mario has definitely caught up to 2D Mario in terms of broad popularity.



I'm 32 and I still like easy games.



I can't believe this game is real.

Has to be one of my most anticipated games in years, maybe ever.



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Makes me want new Donkey Kong and Wario platformers even more!!



How about the people who play games to relax? To unwind and just have a good time?

Easy games w/ great level design and an amazing atmosphere or "feel" are exactly what the doctor orders for those people.
That's why I can go back to, for example, Super Mario Galaxy, at any point, no matter what my mood or circumstance is and instantly feel better because that's what that game does for me and why I love it so much, even if it generally leans much more on the easy side.



PAOerfulone said:

How about the people who play games to relax? To unwind and just have a good time?

Easy games w/ great level design and an amazing atmosphere or "feel" are exactly what the doctor orders for those people.
That's why I can go back to, for example, Super Mario Galaxy, at any point, no matter what my mood or circumstance is and instantly feel better because that's what that game does for me and why I love it so much, even if it generally leans much more on the easy side.

What about them? obviously everyone has a preference. That really sounds more like the power of nostalgia for it to make you feel better no matter the circumstance.



Oh wow Mario on acid looks wonderful.



There's just so much more character and detail put into this game compared to NSMB