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Trump threatens to tax the American people until Europe comes to a deal to sell (I mean tax the American people for) the complete purchase of Greenland.



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It's not the fact that we distrust Trump that's the issue. The real issue is that we do not trust the underlying governmental system that ALLOWED a madman like him into power with no checks and balances. THAT, is the real damage that is caused. THAT, is the decades worth of trust that is shattered. THAT, is what can't be rebuilt simply by waiting out Trump's term for change. The system itself has to radically change, for there to be any grounds to rebuild the trust that has been lost for good.

It's not that we don't want to trust the US again. We just CAN'T.



Tico said:

It's not the fact that we distrust Trump that's the issue. The real issue is that we do not trust the underlying governmental system that ALLOWED a madman like him into power with no checks and balances. THAT, is the real damage that is caused. THAT, is the decades worth of trust that is shattered. THAT, is what can't be rebuilt simply by waiting out Trump's term for change. The system itself has to radically change, for there to be any grounds to rebuild the trust that has been lost for good.

It's not that we don't want to trust the US again. We just CAN'T.

I'm not sure the issue is with the system allowing him to get in his position, although that is probably a valid concern as well. Still, it's the people that voted him in power, and the interesting part is why they voted him. Anyway, I'm more worried about the checks and balances part, although I suppose it's hard to plan for all the checks and balances failing despite existing. Of course it's hard to imagine the situation getting this bad during Trump's first term, simply hecause his power wasn't as deeply rooted. He didn't have such a powerful position in his party back then, as far as I know, and the supreme court also wasn't filled by people favourable to him. Popular support for such extreme measures might not have existed back then either. All this is a result of his longstanding strong position, which in turn, I would guess, is the result of the country suffering from a disease that goes deep. Of course I'm no expert on US politics or the political system over there, but to an outsider like me it certainly looks this way.



Tico said:

The real issue is that we do not trust the underlying governmental system that ALLOWED a madman like him into power with no checks and balances.

Zkuq said:

I suppose it's hard to plan for all the checks and balances failing despite existing. Of course it's hard to imagine the situation getting this bad during Trump's first term, simply hecause his power wasn't as deeply rooted. He didn't have such a powerful position in his party back then, as far as I know, and the supreme court also wasn't filled by people favourable to him. Popular support for such extreme measures might not have existed back then either. All this is a result of his longstanding strong position, which in turn, I would guess, is the result of the country suffering from a disease that goes deep. Of course I'm no expert on US politics or the political system over there, but to an outsider like me it certainly looks this way.

Yeah, the checks and balances were there, but they're only as good as their enforcement mechanisms and the people willing to enforce them. We never had someone so willing to flagrantly break every rule or a Congress this corrupt and spineless to let him. Possibly the biggest failure cascade was letting Republicans get a stranglehold on the courts. The conservative supermajority SCOTUS ignoring the plain text of the Constitution and inventing presidential powers out of whole cloth should be remembered as the greatest disgrace in the history of the American judicial system. In a just country the six of them would be impeached and shamed for eternity. 



CosmicSex said:

Trump threatens to tax the American people until Europe comes to a deal to sell (I mean tax the American people for) the complete purchase of Greenland.

Purchasing is way too expensive. So in Trumps minds it's like the following. We are going to invade Greenland, control their resources, give Greenlanders freedom from their European colonial oppressor and make the Europeans pay for it. MAGA and the Republicans will love it, also they would be delighted with the end of NATO. Even though they lose a lot more allied artic control then they now have.



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I wonder how high the price is you would have to pay every Greenlander until most would say "yes" to be part of USA. 100k was obviously a joke but what's with a million or a few million? There's only so few people on Greenland that even this would be easily to pay for USA especially considering the importance for the future with the resources, less ice for ship routes and so on... It's obviously a fucked up tactic but I guess that could work for this asshole of a President. I mean, what's 50 or 100 billion if your GDP is like 32,000 billion per year.

I don't know those people from Greenland and I'm sure many are thankfully like "fuck you" whatever the price is but what's with the average person? They wouldn't even have to stay on Greenland and could leave somewhere else with that money (there will be at least some who would consider that).

When USA is threatening you to just take your land without giving you a dime if you don't give it to them for money, I guess a million or two in your bank account wouldn't sound that bad. It's obviously a difference to someone giving you money or just leaving you alone. 



crissindahouse said:

I wonder how high the price is you would have to pay every Greenlander until most would say "yes" to be part of USA. 100k was obviously a joke but what's with a million or a few million? There's only so few people on Greenland that even this would be easily to pay for USA especially considering the importance for the future with the resources, less ice for ship routes and so on... It's obviously a fucked up tactic but I guess that could work for this asshole of a President. I mean, what's 50 or 100 billion if your GDP is like 32,000 billion per year.

I don't know those people from Greenland and I'm sure many are thankfully like "fuck you" whatever the price is but what's with the average person? They wouldn't even have to stay on Greenland and could leave somewhere else with that money (there will be at least some who would consider that).

When USA is threatening you to just take your land without giving you a dime if you don't give it to them for money, I guess a million or two in your bank account wouldn't sound that bad. It's obviously a difference to someone giving you money or just leaving you alone. 

You don't need that much, US politics have been hijacked on a couple Billion a year, 2024 saw a peak with 4.4 Billion in federal lobbying. (Of course to keep the population under control ICE alone had nearly 29 Billion budget for 2025) 

It's not about the average person in Greenland anyway, they have zero power to stop anything. Denmark, Canada and Europe in general will have to be bribed and that's a lot bigger cost. I'm sure Trump has already been trying to make deals to get Greenland. 



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Anything but justice. US is at a turning point.



SvennoJ said:
crissindahouse said:

I wonder how high the price is you would have to pay every Greenlander until most would say "yes" to be part of USA. 100k was obviously a joke but what's with a million or a few million? There's only so few people on Greenland that even this would be easily to pay for USA especially considering the importance for the future with the resources, less ice for ship routes and so on... It's obviously a fucked up tactic but I guess that could work for this asshole of a President. I mean, what's 50 or 100 billion if your GDP is like 32,000 billion per year.

I don't know those people from Greenland and I'm sure many are thankfully like "fuck you" whatever the price is but what's with the average person? They wouldn't even have to stay on Greenland and could leave somewhere else with that money (there will be at least some who would consider that).

When USA is threatening you to just take your land without giving you a dime if you don't give it to them for money, I guess a million or two in your bank account wouldn't sound that bad. It's obviously a difference to someone giving you money or just leaving you alone. 

You don't need that much, US politics have been hijacked on a couple Billion a year, 2024 saw a peak with 4.4 Billion in federal lobbying. (Of course to keep the population under control ICE alone had nearly 29 Billion budget for 2025) 

It's not about the average person in Greenland anyway, they have zero power to stop anything. Denmark, Canada and Europe in general will have to be bribed and that's a lot bigger cost. I'm sure Trump has already been trying to make deals to get Greenland. 

I meant because of the possibility of Greenland to get full independency from Denmark. Denmark already said that they would allow that if Greenlanders really want it but they didn't go this way yet. So Greenlanders would have to vote for full independency and after they are fully independent they could allow USA to "get them". 

But no idea about how many years we even speak here to get this done. Was just a theoretical idea which I'm obviously against but yeah, who knows what some million per person do to people...



SvennoJ said:

1,500 active-duty soldiers on alert for possible deployment to Minnesota: Officials

Some 1,500 active-duty Army paratroopers have been put on alert for a potential deployment to Minnesota, according to two defense officials. ABC News' Matt Rivers and ABC News' Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl report on the intensifying situation in Minnesota after the fatal ICE shooting of Renee Good.


Anything but justice. US is at a turning point.

So would this incite more protect or less.  Also would it than become a flashpoint to other cities as well.  Interesting times we are experiencing here.