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RolStoppable said:
badskywalker said:

For those who are trying to paint either side as the more politically violent side, can we stop for a minute and just accept the fact that it is both.

Oct 8, 2020 - Gretchen Whitmer Kidnapping Plot
Jan 6, 2021 - Trump Supporters storm the Capitol
Oct 28, 2022 — San Francisco, California — Attack on Paul Pelosi
July 13, 2024 — Butler, Pennsylvania — Shooting at Donald Trump campaign rally
Sept 15, 2024 — West Palm Beach, Florida — Attempted assassination at Trump golf course
April 13, 2025 — Harrisburg, Pennsylvania — Arson attack at Governor Josh Shapiro’s official residence
June 14, 2025 — Minnesota (Brooklyn Park & Champlin) — Shootings of state legislators and spouses
Sept 10, 2025 — Orem / Utah Valley University, Utah — Assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk

To point the finger at one particular side is foolish. If anyone wants to defend any of these incidents, please unveil yourself as a hyprocite.

It looks like your list contains seven cases of Republican-associated culprits while only the most recent one would be categorized as Other as of now due to the culprit being apolitical and his motive being very personal, heavily focused on Kirk's hatred for gay and trans people. At first I thought you are being sarcastic because of this breakdown.

I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone speaking the truth that the facts show that political violence is more prevalent on the right side of the political spectrum. Of course, the facts also show that political violence can come from the left side.

I agree with your point that pointing the finger at one particular side is foolish; it's for this reason that the reaction of the Trump administration is so deplorable, because they intend to use Kirk's death as an excuse to strip American people of their rights. Granted, at least Pam Bondi had to backpedal already. The finger-pointing is also the reason why the dedicated thread about Kirk's death got locked, especially because at that time nothing about the killer was known yet.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614279

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614381

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614396

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614399

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614416

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614420

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614425

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614451

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614454

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614465

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614467

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614489

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614577

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614665

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614704

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614824

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614882

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614883

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614885

You all lie like you breath. It's instinctual, second-nature.

Before I came in a couple days ago and posted about the FBI investigating a literal domestic terrorist cell with links to the shooter, no one came to throw accusations about him being radical left-wing or anything about trans people.

Even though the evidence I posted was about a militant Queer group full of trans people, I never even commented on it specifically or make a connection to a trend of trans violence.

You all projected this wild behaviour on everyone else, created this myth about Conservatives or right-wing extremists wanting to spread trans hate.

The only hate being spread is by you. There is no integrity or credibility left in this thread.

Anyone who may casually come across here, I strongly recommend not scrolling through those pages of posts. The amount of evil and harm it will do to your mental health isn't worth it.

This place is a complete lost cause.



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Shaunodon said:
RolStoppable said:

It looks like your list contains seven cases of Republican-associated culprits while only the most recent one would be categorized as Other as of now due to the culprit being apolitical and his motive being very personal, heavily focused on Kirk's hatred for gay and trans people. At first I thought you are being sarcastic because of this breakdown.

I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone speaking the truth that the facts show that political violence is more prevalent on the right side of the political spectrum. Of course, the facts also show that political violence can come from the left side.

I agree with your point that pointing the finger at one particular side is foolish; it's for this reason that the reaction of the Trump administration is so deplorable, because they intend to use Kirk's death as an excuse to strip American people of their rights. Granted, at least Pam Bondi had to backpedal already. The finger-pointing is also the reason why the dedicated thread about Kirk's death got locked, especially because at that time nothing about the killer was known yet.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614279

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614381

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614396

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614399

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614416

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614420

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614425

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614451

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614454

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614465

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614467

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614489

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614577

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614665

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614704

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614824

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614882

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614883

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614885

You all lie like you breath. It's instinctual, second-nature.

Before I came in a couple days ago and posted about the FBI investigating a literal domestic terrorist cell with links to the shooter, no one came to throw accusations about him being radical left-wing or anything about trans people.

Even though the evidence I posted was about a militant Queer group full of trans people, I never even commented on it specifically or make a connection to a trend of trans violence.

You all projected this wild behaviour on everyone else, created this myth about Conservatives or right-wing extremists wanting to spread trans hate.

The only hate being spread is by you. There is no integrity or credibility left in this thread.

Anyone who may casually come across here, I strongly recommend not scrolling through those pages of posts. The amount of evil and harm it will do to your mental health isn't worth it.

This place is a complete lost cause.

Except that all the posts you point to as finger pointing (based on you making it bold) are literally just collected evience of the character after the shooter was identified. Also all of those appear to be taken from this thread which doesn't dicount what Rol said either about the Kirk thread getting locked, as again thats all from after he was identified and all the stated information comes from his family's social media accounts or released statements



badskywalker said:
Shaunodon said:

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614279

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614381

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614396

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614399

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614416

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614420

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614425

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614451

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614454

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614465

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614467

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614489

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614577

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614665

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614704

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614824

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614882

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614883

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614885

You all lie like you breath. It's instinctual, second-nature.

Before I came in a couple days ago and posted about the FBI investigating a literal domestic terrorist cell with links to the shooter, no one came to throw accusations about him being radical left-wing or anything about trans people.

Even though the evidence I posted was about a militant Queer group full of trans people, I never even commented on it specifically or make a connection to a trend of trans violence.

You all projected this wild behaviour on everyone else, created this myth about Conservatives or right-wing extremists wanting to spread trans hate.

The only hate being spread is by you. There is no integrity or credibility left in this thread.

Anyone who may casually come across here, I strongly recommend not scrolling through those pages of posts. The amount of evil and harm it will do to your mental health isn't worth it.

This place is a complete lost cause.

Except that all the posts you point to as finger pointing (based on you making it bold) are literally just collected evience of the character after the shooter was identified. Also all of those appear to be taken from this thread which doesn't dicount what Rol said either about the Kirk thread getting locked, as again thats all from after he was identified and all the stated information comes from his family's social media accounts or released statements

It wasn't 'evidence', they were wild speculations and borderline conspiracy theories to link him to some fringe alt-right movement even most Conservatives haven't heard of.

None of them were stronger evidence than the concept of 'why the hell would a right-winger shoot Charlie Kirk'?

That was enough to get the other thread locked, why have none of these people even been moderated, except two people who were speaking against them?

I'm not calling for moderation either. Just pointing out the blatant bias taking place.

As for you, you came here at first with a bad faith 'both sides' argument, when pushed, immediately took a clear side and want to talk about hypocrisy?

You are the hypocrisy you speak.

This thread is a den for hypocrites and sophists.



Shaunodon said:
RolStoppable said:

It looks like your list contains seven cases of Republican-associated culprits while only the most recent one would be categorized as Other as of now due to the culprit being apolitical and his motive being very personal, heavily focused on Kirk's hatred for gay and trans people. At first I thought you are being sarcastic because of this breakdown.

I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone speaking the truth that the facts show that political violence is more prevalent on the right side of the political spectrum. Of course, the facts also show that political violence can come from the left side.

I agree with your point that pointing the finger at one particular side is foolish; it's for this reason that the reaction of the Trump administration is so deplorable, because they intend to use Kirk's death as an excuse to strip American people of their rights. Granted, at least Pam Bondi had to backpedal already. The finger-pointing is also the reason why the dedicated thread about Kirk's death got locked, especially because at that time nothing about the killer was known yet.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614279

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614381

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614396

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614399

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614416

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614420

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614425

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614451

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614454

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614465

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614467

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614489

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614577

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614665

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614704

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614824

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614882

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614883

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614885

You all lie like you breath. It's instinctual, second-nature.

Before I came in a couple days ago and posted about the FBI investigating a literal domestic terrorist cell with links to the shooter, no one came to throw accusations about him being radical left-wing or anything about trans people.

Even though the evidence I posted was about a militant Queer group full of trans people, I never even commented on it specifically or make a connection to a trend of trans violence.

You all projected this wild behaviour on everyone else, created this myth about Conservatives or right-wing extremists wanting to spread trans hate.

The only hate being spread is by you. There is no integrity or credibility left in this thread.

Anyone who may casually come across here, I strongly recommend not scrolling through those pages of posts. The amount of evil and harm it will do to your mental health isn't worth it.

This place is a complete lost cause.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/249624/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-murdered-in-utah/

Ashadelo said:

He was a Godily man, who was assassinated because of radical left indoctrination.

xl-klaudkil said:

Disgusted...and some even laugh.
When will the people wake up,the left is out of control.

The western world is falling,and falling fast.

This is from six days ago, still early in the thread. And here's the reason why the thread got locked eventually:

Pemalite said: 

Alright citizens of VGChartz, this has clearly not been a constructive thread and will thus now be locked.

Far to many assumptions, accusations, generalizations, attacks on others and more... And thus it has reached it's conclusion.

And of course there was the reaction from the Trump administration and other members of the MAGA movement who blamed the "radical left" instantly with no evidence. This is something you haven't addressed at all so far. You claim to be against hate, yet you seem to condone it when it fits your worldview.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Shaunodon said:
badskywalker said:

Except that all the posts you point to as finger pointing (based on you making it bold) are literally just collected evience of the character after the shooter was identified. Also all of those appear to be taken from this thread which doesn't dicount what Rol said either about the Kirk thread getting locked, as again thats all from after he was identified and all the stated information comes from his family's social media accounts or released statements

It wasn't 'evidence', they were wild speculations and borderline conspiracy theories to link him to some fringe alt-right movement even most Conservatives haven't heard of.

I'll just address my quote that you added to your fly-by list, but it is part of trend in the posts you selected. Nowhere in this quote did I say anything to "link him to some fringe alt-right movement."

Identifying that there isn't any evidence that he is part of the left and that it is in fact the established regime that is engaging in "[not-so-borderline] conspiracy theories" isn't the same thing as "link him to some fringe alt-right movement." 

sc94597 said:

It is pretty obvious that if they had anything remotely alluding to actual left-wing politics, they would release it. Trump has a hatred for the left (likely because of the 2020 protests) that he didn't really have as much in his first term. He also has a strong motivation to coin an enemy.

The difficult part is that it isn't believable at all amongst non-MAGA that there is a real communist threat. Communism has never been weaker as a movement. This is very unlike 1920's and 30's Germany (or even 1930's U.S) where communism was a real threat to the extant systems.

The right is trying to treat "woke" ideas as the new communism, but nobody really cares about woke that much. Radical cultural liberalism isn't a threat to capitalism.

This was posted 3 days ago, and they still haven't affiliated him with an actual left-wing group or movement, by the way. Being in a partnership with a transgender person doesn't make you left-wing. Hell, being transgender doesn't make you left wing -- as Blaire White and Caitlyn Jenner have shown us.



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Shaunodon said:
badskywalker said:

Except that all the posts you point to as finger pointing (based on you making it bold) are literally just collected evience of the character after the shooter was identified. Also all of those appear to be taken from this thread which doesn't dicount what Rol said either about the Kirk thread getting locked, as again thats all from after he was identified and all the stated information comes from his family's social media accounts or released statements

It wasn't 'evidence', they were wild speculations and borderline conspiracy theories to link him to some fringe alt-right movement even most Conservatives haven't heard of.

None of them were stronger evidence than the concept of 'why the hell would a right-winger shoot Charlie Kirk'?

That was enough to get the other thread locked, why have none of these people even been moderated, except two people who were speaking against them?

I'm not calling for moderation either. Just pointing out the blatant bias taking place.

As for you, you came here at first with a bad faith 'both sides' argument, when pushed, immediately took a clear side and want to talk about hypocrisy?

You are the hypocrisy you speak.

This thread is a den for hypocrites and sophists.

When do speculations turn from wild to well founded deduction? The accumulation of so many posts each bringing their own piece of reasonable evidence. As I could call many court cases wild speculation due to lacking more evidence than this.

My argument earlier wasn't really meant to be about both sides being equally bad, even if I had stated as much without really thinking about specific words, more of a both sides have capacity to be equally bad. The hypocrisy element was more how people will try to paint one side out to be exclusively bad, while actions taken by their own are good, even if they are the same actions. Though even that I may have to rethink as Rol stated earlier all the perpetrators were Republican or apolitical

Last edited by badskywalker - on 17 September 2025

Seems like Kimmel has now been cancelled.

He made comments about Charlie Kirk, the FCC threatened legal action (including the revoking of broadcast licenses) so a broadcasting company which is currently seeking approval for a merger pulled the show, prompting ABC to cancel it.

Free speech is dead.



sundin13 said:

Seems like Kimmel has now been cancelled.

He made comments about Charlie Kirk, the FCC threatened legal action (including the revoking of broadcast licenses) so a broadcasting company which is currently seeking approval for a merger pulled the show, prompting ABC to cancel it.

Free speech is dead.

Only for the left, though. If you're on the right you can literally call on national tv to kill the homeless and not even get suspended. 



I mean, this is really just the UNO reverse of how it was from 2014-2024 when the alt left would constantly call for violence against those who disagreed with them without consequences, but if you said anything online that was right of the far left you'd be relentlessly harassed, deplatformed, doxed, etc.

The shoe's just on the other foot now.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 17 September 2025

curl-6 said:

I mean, this is really just the UNO reverse of how it was from 2014-2024 when the alt left would constantly call for violence against those who disagreed with them, but if you said anything online that right of the far left you'd be relentlessly harassed, deplatformed, doxed, etc.

The shoe's just on the other foot now.

When did the so-called "alt left" (who has never held power in the U.S) use the FCC (a part of the executive branch of the U.S government) to get people fired for protected speech? The closest thing was IRS targeting controversy under centrist Obama and there was a strong blowback for it from the public generally, across the spectrum. And of course it isn't that close as the initial claims of being targeted turned out to be exaggerated.