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JRPGfan said:
curl-6 said:

Total sales are have surpassed 30 million as of last month:

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/harry-potter-franchise-future-tv-series-video-games-1236201249/

Absolutely insane sales.

Whats crazy is the drama it had when it launched.
Reviewers refusing to review it, games journalists refusing to give it any space or pr ect.
On resetera its not even allowed to be spoken out, you can get banned for it, they call it "the wizard game" instead.
All because they believe JK Rowling to be transphobic.
There were boycotts towards it.... because they wouldn't support such a game, because of who is behind the IP.

Meanwhile most normal people are just like "cool, a harry potter game".

Honestly I have a wildly different take from this. Especially being in a liberal space, a lot forums banned the discussion of the game because the conversation just fell into extremisms, political war arguments. 

But almost all of the major publications supported the game and through its launch it was surrounded by excitement, especially the Playstation State of Play dedicated gameplay deep dive. It's success was never a surprise unless you were deep into the warring fractions imo.

As always the general public stances can't be deduced by twitter hot-takes or viral forum posts.

Super happy for this game and hope they're more ambitious with the next. I still haven't got past the first few hours because the combat didn't quite stick. Although the hogwarts fantasy is fun, I think I crave a darker story.



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JRPGfan said:

Whats crazy is the drama it had when it launched.
Reviewers refusing to review it, games journalists refusing to give it any space or pr ect.
On resetera its not even allowed to be spoken out, you can get banned for it, they call it "the wizard game" instead.
All because they believe JK Rowling to be transphobic.
There were boycotts towards it.... because they wouldn't support such a game, because of who is behind the IP.

Meanwhile most normal people are just like "cool, a harry potter game".

Honestly I have a wildly different take from this. Especially being in a liberal space, a lot forums banned the discussion of the game because the conversation just fell into extremisms, political war arguments. 

But almost all of the major publications supported the game and through its launch it was surrounded by excitement, especially the Playstation State of Play dedicated gameplay deep dive. It's success was never a surprise unless you were deep into the warring fractions imo.

As always the general public stances can't be deduced by twitter hot-takes or viral forum posts.

Super happy for this game and hope they're more ambitious with the next. I still haven't got past the first few hours because the combat didn't quite stick. Although the hogwarts fantasy is fun, I think I crave a darker story.

There wasn't any conversations into extremism... this is resetera ect, we are talking about.
Its basically a bubble of like minded people, that are quick to shut down anything they don't condone/accept.
There was no political wars on their forums... they just day1 made it a policy to ban anything related to it.

In the same vain, there were reviewers that just flatout refused to review the game or give it any space.... because of JK Rowling.

Yes, general public stance isn't reflective of people on resetera, or the game wouldn't have sold as well as it did.

it was mainly a very loud vocal minority, that didn't approve of Rowling, and thus wanted everyone to boycott it.

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LegitHyperbole said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

She is, there is no denying that, there is no "they believe" in there, she is, she straight up is

Not really, she doesn't like trans people infringing o established women's rights. That's pro feminist, not transphobic. It just doesn't gel with her version of feminisem. Same as it doesn't gel with Islam.

I want to come back to this, because you tried to paint her transphobia as her being just concerned about women's rights (which the trans people are allegedly "infringing"), and that's simply not true, her unhinged crusade against trans people has nothing to do with women's rights, and she has a long story of transphobia, any quick Google search can show that: https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy

JK Rowling is a transphobe.



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TheRealSamusAran said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Not really, she doesn't like trans people infringing o established women's rights. That's pro feminist, not transphobic. It just doesn't gel with her version of feminisem. Same as it doesn't gel with Islam.

I want to come back to this, because you tried to paint her transphobia as her being just concerned about women's rights (which the trans people are allegedly "infringing"), and that's simply not true, her unhinged crusade against trans people has nothing to do with women's rights, and she has a long story of transphobia, any quick Google search can show that: https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy

JK Rowling is a transphobe.

I suppose I'd have to look into it more but not tonight. I seen some of the stuff she does for women's rights like helping rape shelters and what not, she can't be all that bad, transphobe or not. Did she out right say she hates trans people or is the issue the trans activism just doesn't gel with her version of feminism and she is caugjt between the two. You know who else are transphobes, every devout Muslim and Christian in the public eye but they just don't come out and say it to save face, you have to give it to her that she has the balls to come and fight for what she believes in. Alas, perhaps i'm playing devil's advocate cause I don't keep up with JK Rowling. 



LegitHyperbole said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

I want to come back to this, because you tried to paint her transphobia as her being just concerned about women's rights (which the trans people are allegedly "infringing"), and that's simply not true, her unhinged crusade against trans people has nothing to do with women's rights, and she has a long story of transphobia, any quick Google search can show that: https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk-rowling-transphobic-statements-timeline-history-controversy

JK Rowling is a transphobe.

I suppose I'd have to look into it more but not tonight. I seen some of the stuff she does for women's rights like helping rape shelters and what not, she can't be all that bad, transphobe or not. Did she out right say she hates trans people or is the issue the trans activism just doesn't gel with her version of feminism and she is caugjt between the two. You know who else are transphobes, every devout Muslim and Christian in the public eye but they just don't come out and say it to save face, you have to give it to her that she has the balls to come and fight for what she believes in. Alas, perhaps i'm playing devil's advocate cause I don't keep up with JK Rowling. 

Oh, I'm glad you're not just being negationist about that.

"Did she out right say she hates trans people"

Well, she wrote and published a book with a story about "a man who dresses as a woman" to rape women, after her transphobic stances were already very well known to the public . At this point, she saying out loud that she is transphobic would be like Konami revealing that Eva's voice actor is the little mermaid.

She paints trans women as some danger to "real women", I mean, that character she wrote says it all. How is that any different than saying that gay people are a danger to kids?? Actually, she would probably say that too if it wasn't a much less popular thing to say nowadays.



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TheRealSamusAran said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I suppose I'd have to look into it more but not tonight. I seen some of the stuff she does for women's rights like helping rape shelters and what not, she can't be all that bad, transphobe or not. Did she out right say she hates trans people or is the issue the trans activism just doesn't gel with her version of feminism and she is caugjt between the two. You know who else are transphobes, every devout Muslim and Christian in the public eye but they just don't come out and say it to save face, you have to give it to her that she has the balls to come and fight for what she believes in. Alas, perhaps i'm playing devil's advocate cause I don't keep up with JK Rowling. 

Oh, I'm glad you're not just being negationist about that.

"Did she out right say she hates trans people"

Well, she wrote and published a book with a story about "a man who dresses as a woman" to rape women, after her transphobic stances were already very well known to the public . At this point, she saying out loud that she is transphobic would be like Konami revealing that Eva's voice actor is the little mermaid.

She paints trans women as some danger to "real women", I mean, that character she wrote says it all. How is that any different than saying that gay people are a danger to kids?? Actually, she would probably say that too if it wasn't a much less popular thing to say nowadays.

Oh. Well, I look into it tomorrow and get back to ya with my thoughts. If she's an outright bigot, that's a pity, she gave a love of reading as a kid. 



TheRealSamusAran said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I suppose I'd have to look into it more but not tonight. I seen some of the stuff she does for women's rights like helping rape shelters and what not, she can't be all that bad, transphobe or not. Did she out right say she hates trans people or is the issue the trans activism just doesn't gel with her version of feminism and she is caugjt between the two. You know who else are transphobes, every devout Muslim and Christian in the public eye but they just don't come out and say it to save face, you have to give it to her that she has the balls to come and fight for what she believes in. Alas, perhaps i'm playing devil's advocate cause I don't keep up with JK Rowling. 

Oh, I'm glad you're not just being negationist about that.

"Did she out right say she hates trans people"

Well, she wrote and published a book with a story about "a man who dresses as a woman" to rape women, after her transphobic stances were already very well known to the public . At this point, she saying out loud that she is transphobic would be like Konami revealing that Eva's voice actor is the little mermaid.

She paints trans women as some danger to "real women", I mean, that character she wrote says it all. How is that any different than saying that gay people are a danger to kids?? Actually, she would probably say that too if it wasn't a much less popular thing to say nowadays.

Well after a quick look into, I don't see it. From wiki alone...

"she stated her view that "sex is real and has lived consequences", while additionally writing: "I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them."

I think she is just prioritising her radical feminist beliefs over trans validation. She's not transphobic in the true sense of the word. The worst I can find his her denying stuff that Trans people believe to be true which isn't transphobia, it's a mashing of ideological beliefs systems. It seems trans people hate her because she won't validate them as far as I can see and has choosen some poor words.

I return to my original point that her feminism and Trans activism don't mesh in the same way Transgenserism doesn't mesh with religious beliefs. I don't think she is some evil witch scheming against trans people again from what I can see. Everyone's world view is different an people interpret things in different ways and that's fine. 



LegitHyperbole said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

Oh, I'm glad you're not just being negationist about that.

"Did she out right say she hates trans people"

Well, she wrote and published a book with a story about "a man who dresses as a woman" to rape women, after her transphobic stances were already very well known to the public . At this point, she saying out loud that she is transphobic would be like Konami revealing that Eva's voice actor is the little mermaid.

She paints trans women as some danger to "real women", I mean, that character she wrote says it all. How is that any different than saying that gay people are a danger to kids?? Actually, she would probably say that too if it wasn't a much less popular thing to say nowadays.

Well after a quick look into, I don't see it. From wiki alone...

"she stated her view that "sex is real and has lived consequences", while additionally writing: "I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them."

I think she is just prioritising her radical feminist beliefs over trans validation. She's not transphobic in the true sense of the word. The worst I can find his her denying stuff that Trans people believe to be true which isn't transphobia, it's a mashing of ideological beliefs systems. It seems trans people hate her because she won't validate them as far as I can see and has choosen some poor words.

I return to my original point that her feminism and Trans activism don't mesh in the same way Transgenserism doesn't mesh with religious beliefs. I don't think she is some evil witch scheming against trans people again from what I can see. Everyone's world view is different an people interpret things in different ways and that's fine. 

Oh come on, she was obviously lying through her teeth. I appreciate that you are not just in plain denial, but you are making an active effort to see only what you want to see to confirm your bias, that the person you like so much is a good person with no ill intent towards trans people. That's simply not true. I linked up an article with a whole timeline of transphobic actions from her, did you read that up?

Here is just a summary of what it's in there:

"In September, Rowling “likes” a tweet linking to an opinion column by known TERF Janice Turner, which argues yet again that trans women are inherently sexual predators, referring to them as “fox[es] in a henhouse ... identify[ing] as [hens].”"

"June 2020: In a tweet, Rowling mocks the trans-inclusive phrase “people who menstruate” in an article about pandemic menstrual health, implying that the phrase, meant to encompass trans men and nonbinary people, erases, overrides, or obscures the word “women.”"

"Days later, Rowling produces her most overt and lengthy discussion of her views, a 3,600-word manifesto published on her website responding to “the new trans activism.” The post is replete with myths and false transphobic stereotypes, particularly revolving around the narratives that gender and biology are inextricable and that trans women are dangerous. Rowling states the movement offers “cover to predators”. She also repeatedly amplifies the alarmist, false idea that teens are transitioning as part of a social media trend, a claim based on a handful of inaccurate and shady scientific studies claiming that an outsize number of trans teens will detransition later, studies that have since been widely debunked."

"December 2021: Rowling shares a Sunday Times article that mocks the Scottish police for recognizing transgender identity. In her tweet, she parodies 1984, writing, “War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. The Penised Individual Who Raped You Is a Woman.”"

"January 2023: Rowling posts that she is “Deeply amused by those telling me I’ve lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists.”"

"February 2024: Rowling donated £70,000 (about $90,000) to an anti-trans Scottish political lobby campaigning to restrict the Scottish government’s definition of “women” to cisgender women only."*

"May 2024: As part of an X discussion that began with Rowling deliberately misgendering a trans soccer manager, she doubled down in response to criticism, both by claiming that trans women are “crossdressing straight men” and by comparing trans identity to cultural appropriation."

And there are many, many more, just on that link alone. If you really want to "look it up" in good faith, just click on it.

*Using all that money people gave her with Hogwarts Legacy sales, THAT'S why many others wanted to boycott the game.

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TheRealSamusAran said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Well after a quick look into, I don't see it. From wiki alone...

"she stated her view that "sex is real and has lived consequences", while additionally writing: "I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them."

I think she is just prioritising her radical feminist beliefs over trans validation. She's not transphobic in the true sense of the word. The worst I can find his her denying stuff that Trans people believe to be true which isn't transphobia, it's a mashing of ideological beliefs systems. It seems trans people hate her because she won't validate them as far as I can see and has choosen some poor words.

I return to my original point that her feminism and Trans activism don't mesh in the same way Transgenserism doesn't mesh with religious beliefs. I don't think she is some evil witch scheming against trans people again from what I can see. Everyone's world view is different an people interpret things in different ways and that's fine. 

Oh come on, she was obviously lying through her teeth. I appreciate that you are not just in plain denial, but you are making an active effort to see only what you want to see to confirm your bias, that the person you like so much is a good person with no ill intent towards trans people. That's simply not true. I linked up an article with a whole timeline of transphobic actions from her, did you read that up?

Here is just a summary of what it's in there:

"In September, Rowling “likes” a tweet linking to an opinion column by known TERF Janice Turner, which argues yet again that trans women are inherently sexual predators, referring to them as “fox[es] in a henhouse ... identify[ing] as [hens].”"

"June 2020: In a tweet, Rowling mocks the trans-inclusive phrase “people who menstruate” in an article about pandemic menstrual health, implying that the phrase, meant to encompass trans men and nonbinary people, erases, overrides, or obscures the word “women.”"

"Days later, Rowling produces her most overt and lengthy discussion of her views, a 3,600-word manifesto published on her website responding to “the new trans activism.” The post is replete with myths and false transphobic stereotypes, particularly revolving around the narratives that gender and biology are inextricable and that trans women are dangerous. Rowling states the movement offers “cover to predators”. She also repeatedly amplifies the alarmist, false idea that teens are transitioning as part of a social media trend, a claim based on a handful of inaccurate and shady scientific studies claiming that an outsize number of trans teens will detransition later, studies that have since been widely debunked."

"December 2021: Rowling shares a Sunday Times article that mocks the Scottish police for recognizing transgender identity. In her tweet, she parodies 1984, writing, “War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. The Penised Individual Who Raped You Is a Woman.”"

"January 2023: Rowling posts that she is “Deeply amused by those telling me I’ve lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists.”"

"February 2024: Rowling donated £70,000 (about $90,000) to an anti-trans Scottish political lobby campaigning to restrict the Scottish government’s definition of “women” to cisgender women only."*

"May 2024: As part of an X discussion that began with Rowling deliberately misgendering a trans soccer manager, she doubled down in response to criticism, both by claiming that trans women are “crossdressing straight men” and by comparing trans identity to cultural appropriation."

And there are many, many more, just on that link alone. If you really want to "look it up" in good faith, just click on it.

*Using all that money people gave her with Hogwarts Legacy sales, THAT'S why many others wanted to boycott the game.

Oh, well perhaps you're right, lol. Jesus, she really is by definition, can't argue with that. Where's she getting her world view and data though, I wanna see that now...



LegitHyperbole said:
TheRealSamusAran said:

Oh come on, she was obviously lying through her teeth. I appreciate that you are not just in plain denial, but you are making an active effort to see only what you want to see to confirm your bias, that the person you like so much is a good person with no ill intent towards trans people. That's simply not true. I linked up an article with a whole timeline of transphobic actions from her, did you read that up?

Here is just a summary of what it's in there:

"In September, Rowling “likes” a tweet linking to an opinion column by known TERF Janice Turner, which argues yet again that trans women are inherently sexual predators, referring to them as “fox[es] in a henhouse ... identify[ing] as [hens].”"

"June 2020: In a tweet, Rowling mocks the trans-inclusive phrase “people who menstruate” in an article about pandemic menstrual health, implying that the phrase, meant to encompass trans men and nonbinary people, erases, overrides, or obscures the word “women.”"

"Days later, Rowling produces her most overt and lengthy discussion of her views, a 3,600-word manifesto published on her website responding to “the new trans activism.” The post is replete with myths and false transphobic stereotypes, particularly revolving around the narratives that gender and biology are inextricable and that trans women are dangerous. Rowling states the movement offers “cover to predators”. She also repeatedly amplifies the alarmist, false idea that teens are transitioning as part of a social media trend, a claim based on a handful of inaccurate and shady scientific studies claiming that an outsize number of trans teens will detransition later, studies that have since been widely debunked."

"December 2021: Rowling shares a Sunday Times article that mocks the Scottish police for recognizing transgender identity. In her tweet, she parodies 1984, writing, “War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. The Penised Individual Who Raped You Is a Woman.”"

"January 2023: Rowling posts that she is “Deeply amused by those telling me I’ve lost their admiration due to the disrespect I show violent, duplicitous rapists.”"

"February 2024: Rowling donated £70,000 (about $90,000) to an anti-trans Scottish political lobby campaigning to restrict the Scottish government’s definition of “women” to cisgender women only."*

"May 2024: As part of an X discussion that began with Rowling deliberately misgendering a trans soccer manager, she doubled down in response to criticism, both by claiming that trans women are “crossdressing straight men” and by comparing trans identity to cultural appropriation."

And there are many, many more, just on that link alone. If you really want to "look it up" in good faith, just click on it.

*Using all that money people gave her with Hogwarts Legacy sales, THAT'S why many others wanted to boycott the game.

Oh, well perhaps you're right, lol. Jesus, she really is by definition, can't argue with that. Where's she getting her world view and data though, I wanna see that now...

Thank you for actually caring to see what her views really are about trans people.



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