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mZuzek said:


This one's still unguessed. I can't make any extra hints until I get back home though, so for now, I'm just putting it back there in case someone who knows missed it, and gonna post some more hints that I did make before travelling. Breaking into the top 10 already. Kinda anticlimactic to do it in a "trying desperately to keep up" way, but I mean, world champions and all, it's been a bit too crazy.





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mZuzek said:
mZuzek said:


This one's still unguessed. I can't make any extra hints until I get back home though, so for now, I'm just putting it back there in case someone who knows missed it, and gonna post some more hints that I did make before travelling. Breaking into the top 10 already. Kinda anticlimactic to do it in a "trying desperately to keep up" way, but I mean, world champions and all, it's been a bit too crazy.



#12 - Sounds very atmospheric sci-fi-y. I'm guessing one of the Metroids. The audio sounds fairly modern, so I'll go with Dread.

#11 - Also sci-fi-y, but less forboding and also sounds less modern. I know you love Metroid, and we're in the top ranks now, so I'll guess Metroid Prime.

#10 - This one's really annoying me because I know I've heard that jingle before and it's super famous, but I can't quite put a name to it.



#18
- At the file selection screen, if you slightly misspell a prominent feature of the game, it’ll net you something good.
- If you want to find everything, you’ll have to opt for the worst possible prize at one point.
- As you conquer each world, the final boss’ stage draws ever closer.
- And the location of the final stage is the same sort of location that you start the following game in.
- A bonus stage hidden within a bonus stage? Pretty sneaky.

#17
- More action oriented to its predecessor, this sort of indicated where the franchise it took its cues from was going to head in the future.
- A more linear game, less focus on puzzles, and upgrading your arsenal via points accrued in combat are some other features that differentiate it from its predecessor.
- Features more outside areas than its predecessor - a more natural environment for the variety of enemies you face.
- Unlike its predecessor, it features two playable characters, who you switch back and forth between throughout the game. One of these characters was the playable character in the previous game.
- There’s a few instances of first person action, where you have to defend the vehicle you’re travelling on. It wouldn’t be the last time this franchise dipped its toe into the first person perspective - much like the franchise from the same developer that heavily influenced this series, there was a light gun spin off.

#13
- Introduces an audience that can help or hinder you.
- The size of the audience grows at certain intervals as you level up throughout the game.

My list so far



#10Baldur's Gate
guessed byUnderwaterFunktown
platformWindows/Switch
release year1998
developer/publisherBioWare/Black Isle Studios/Interplay Entertainment
genreRPG
linksWikipedia
past years2021: #10, 2020: #13, 2019: #12, 2018: #12, 2017: #9

Baldur's Gate is one of the best attempts to bring a Dungeons&Dragons campaign to a video game. It had D&D license and made a lot of stuff very truthfully to the source material. The world is based on the D&D campaign-setting Forgotten Realms in the region of the Sword Coast. For this game the Infinity engine was developed, which was the base for a lot of similar games, including the sequel Baldur's Gate II, but also Planescape: Torment and Icewind Dale.

As in a D&D round you gather a party of individual adventurers and step out in the world to exterminate evil… or get rich… or both. You create your main character, following the D&D rules, but the other characters you find in the game and include them into your party, if you want. But once they are part of your group, you control them all directly. In combat things happen in real-time and you can give orders. If you are overwhelmed (and probably a good idea at the start of battle), you can pause the action to give direct orders. This can be in very fine detail, including which enemy to target, which spell to cast or which weapon to use.

Also outside of battles the game uses D&D rules, for instance for stealth, for pickpocket or for other interactions. Freedom to do what you want is the key philosophy here. Baldur's Gate is a game which often allowed you to play how you want. Therefore systems exists for a lot of things. Decide which party members to recruit. Which way to go. Be evil or a do-gooder. In a way it is a Skyrim with isometric view, a party (instead of a single fighter) and a much deeper battle system.

In Baldur's Gate you create your character based on the D&D-system, which starts out at the fort Candlekeep were you grew up. One day your mentor hastily wants you to leave the keep with him. Outside you encounter a figure that demand of your mentor to hand you over. Your mentor denies this request and fights to allow your escape. On your own now you try to uncover the secrets about this encounter and meet a lot of interesting characters on the way.

The characters are also great in this game. Who doesn't remember Minsc and his miniature giant space hamster Boo? Look, how lovely they are:

I generally think, that games that have the ability to show a group of adventurers instead of a single hero have a better opportunity to show character growth and more detailed character stories. You all know the trope of the protagonist, who basically is a blank page to allow the player to project themself. But games with a party of people at your control allow to give each character their own story, their own character. That is why I think games like Xenoblade or Ys work well. Baldur's Gate was one of the first games to do this, bring a party of characters under the players control and develop all these people as their own.

Interplay projected 200K sales for the game, in the end it sold past 2 million, a major success for the time.

These group of games seemed gone from the market after the demise of Black Isle, but Black Isle veterans founded Obsidian and developed Pillars of Eternity, Interplay veteran founde inXile which released Torment: Tides of Numenera and Larian Studios started to go in this direction with Divinity. So in modern times we have more games in the style Baldur's Gate started, including after a long time Baldur's Gate III by Larian Studios (which probably will finally release finished in 2023).

The game got an Enhanced Edition some time back (also including console versions), which probably is the best way to play it these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAsHuRO_Ao



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#11 is a well known game, you all know it:

#13: Guessed by drbunnig: Another Code R - A Journey into Lost Memories

#12: Guessed by Darashiva: Demon's Souls

#11: Guessed by UnderwaterFunktown: Xenoblade Chronicles
I have no time for small fry!
With this, the future is ours for the taking!
Born in a world of strife, Against the odds, We choose to fight!

#10: Guessed by drbunnig: Star Wars: Dark Forces
This is a game set in one of the biggest IPs in the world, but it is a bit unusual.
This IP started as movies, but encompasses now basically everything in entertainment.
This game is unusual for the IP in that it is not a space flight sim, nor does it have swordplay.
Instead it is purely a shooter, but even in that was unusual, as it featured lives.

#9: Guessed by Darashiva: Okami

ranking in the guessing game, list so far

Last edited by Mnementh - on 20 December 2022

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10 years greatest game event!

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mZuzek said:
mZuzek said:


This one's still unguessed. I can't make any extra hints until I get back home though, so for now, I'm just putting it back there in case someone who knows missed it, and gonna post some more hints that I did make before travelling. Breaking into the top 10 already. Kinda anticlimactic to do it in a "trying desperately to keep up" way, but I mean, world champions and all, it's been a bit too crazy.



Pretty sure Machina got 11 and maybe also 12 right, but I'll take a stab at 14: Earthbound?

Mnementh said:

#11 is a well known game, you all know it:

#13: Guessed by drbunnig: Another Code R - A Journey into Lost Memories

#12: Guessed by Darashiva: Demon's Souls

#11: (it is not: Windwaker)
I have no time for small fry!
With this, the future is ours for the taking!
Born in a world of strife, Against the odds, We choose to fight!

#10: (it is not: Mario Teaches Typing, LEGO Star Wars)
This is a game set in one of the biggest IPs in the world, but it is a bit unusual.
This IP started as movies, but encompasses now basically everything in entertainment.
This game is unusual for the IP in that it is not a space flight sim, nor does it have swordplay.
Instead it is purely a shooter, but even in that was unusual, as it featured lives.

#9: Guessed by Darashiva: Okami

ranking in the guessing game, list so far

11) The mention of the future is making me think Xenoblade Chronicles



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Mnementh said:

#10: (it is not: Mario Teaches Typing, LEGO Star Wars)
This is a game set in one of the biggest IPs in the world, but it is a bit unusual.
This IP started as movies, but encompasses now basically everything in entertainment.
This game is unusual for the IP in that it is not a space flight sim, nor does it have swordplay.
Instead it is purely a shooter, but even in that was unusual, as it featured lives.

ranking in the guessing game, list so far

Dark Forces?



Okay write ups for 15-11, steadily nearing the top. 12 went unguessed this time but I can reveal now that "the one free man" was in fact Gordon Freeman and that the game in question was Half Life 2 (guess Half Life is obscure around these parts).

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Last Year

Write-up

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#15

#16

Final Fantasy VII

As much as I love both IX and X (let’s call them honorable mentions), VII is my favorite FF game by a very wide margin. I’m not the biggest turn-based enthusiast mainly because I think while many turn-based games have fairly good gameplay, very few have great gameplay, but luckily VII is one of the few that manage the latter. This mostly comes down to the Materia system which is easily the best customization system the series has seen in my eyes and gives you a ton of freedom to combine moves and modifiers and change things up fluidly along the way, and on top of that it just has some of the coolest moves, spells and summons. But maybe I should also mention the absolutely amazing story with some of the most iconic characters and moments in all of gaming? … Nah, come to think of it you probably know about that already.

 

#14

#14

God of War (2018)

This not-quite-reboot is a major change from its predecessors and in my eyes a very positive one. As much as I love classic hack and slash combat the new system in 2018 clicked with me even more, the regular attack combos might be trimmed down but it has so many different elements that can be combined beautifully once you get the hang of everything, actually not completely unlike Astral Chain (#19). It’s also a game that keeps you on your toes and poses great challenge without ever feeling unfair (except maybe for that damn final Valkyrie). And let’s not forget the story and characters, which is no doubt where the series has grown most. The old games were mostly about tragedy and badass-ery and that hasn’t been lost here, but 2018 hits both wider and deeper on the emotional spectrum with Kratos going through a lot character development while struggling both with his past and his present. This is one of those rare games where I really think they knocked it out of the park on every front and struggle to find much of anything to complain about, and ultimately that’s what secures it its place up here among the best games I’ve ever played.

 

#13

#12

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Sitting just above its fellow game from 2018, we have the peak entry of one of my favorite series. But I have to start off a little tough on the game and say that while I do think it managed to be the best Smash game yet with the gameplay feeling better than ever, I think it fell short of truly being the ULTIMATE Smash game. It's very possibly the game that I’ve been most excited for in my life which I chalk up to the absolutely epic reveal trailer and an amazing showing at E3 later, and when I finally got my hands on it (an excruciating week late due to a shipping delay), I absolutely loved it. I loved unlocking the massive roster a bit at a time, I loved playing through World of Light and I loved the gameplay itself and the tons of content. But… With time I did start to notice the flaws and the things I wish had been there. There was missing modes, the new system for choosing rules is a hassle and spirits while kind of fun were pretty messy and more quantity than quality. World of Light was a great big helping of solid single-player content, but… it wasn’t Subspace. It did have a story sure, but not one that actually involved any of the characters. It wasn’t really the big cross-over adventure it could have been; it wasn’t the epic culmination to the series that this ultimate celebration of gaming deserved. And, while it doesn’t really take anything away from the base game, it didn’t help either that I was mostly disappointed by the DLC.

Yeah, I’m definitely whining a bit here, the game was made in less time than any entry since Melee and they couldn’t possibly satisfy everybody on every front, but well… that isn’t going to change the fact that when I look at this game, I see something that didn’t quite live up to its full (massive) potential, though obviously it being here means that I still love it. Whenever I sit down to play it, I have a great time and in one of those practically-questionable “what game would you bring to a deserted island” scenarios, this is a strong contender. There was a time where I would have considered this my #5 or #6 of all-time and that ship has definitely sailed, but I do think it’s worthy of the spot where it sits now.

 

#12

#11

Half-Life 2

I do like me a good single-player shooter and Half Life 2 is much more than just good. Valve really has (or had?) an uncanny knack for making incredible on-rails experiences that manage to stay varied and deeply engaging throughout despite simple core mechanics. In the Half Life games in particular the way they split the games into chapters that often have their own unique environments and twists on the gameplay is genius. There’s Water Hazard where you travel along a river in an airboat, Sandtraps were you have to stay off the sand on the beach if you don’t want to enrage the giant insects lurking below and of course Ravenholm, that legendary section where Half Life turned horror. And that’s without even including the expansions Episode One and Two, the latter of which I would argue is even better than the base game. Half Life 2 is one of the only games I have 100 % achievements in on Steam, achieved over several playthroughs, but that won’t stop me from coming back for more.

#11

#10

Tales of Vesperia

Just on the brink of the top 10 we have another entry in one of my favorite series, one that I only ended up playing a decade after the original release when the Definitive Edition came out. I knew Vesperia was considered one of the best entries and was both excited and a little nervous to find out if it lived up to its reputation but I need not have worried. Vesperia delivers on nearly every front with one of the best protagonists and casts of the series, engaging storytelling and excellent gameplay. While I had experienced it in later titles before, Vesperia was the game that introduced a double moveset by changing what arts you use when you hold down one of the triggers, which is a very welcome addition to already great combat. It also has a great customization system, solid dungeons and puzzles and A LOT of optional side content. As mentioned, the story is also excellent from nearly start to finish (with only a few weak parts in the last third) and there’s also a more moral ambiguity here than you often see in the series which is a very welcome change of pace. All in all, Vesperia is a JRPG at their absolute best and my biggest grievance is that I can no longer fit it in the top 10.

 



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UnderwaterFunktown said:
Mnementh said:

#11 is a well known game, you all know it:

#13: Guessed by drbunnig: Another Code R - A Journey into Lost Memories

#12: Guessed by Darashiva: Demon's Souls

#11: (it is not: Windwaker)
I have no time for small fry!
With this, the future is ours for the taking!
Born in a world of strife, Against the odds, We choose to fight!

#10: (it is not: Mario Teaches Typing, LEGO Star Wars)
This is a game set in one of the biggest IPs in the world, but it is a bit unusual.
This IP started as movies, but encompasses now basically everything in entertainment.
This game is unusual for the IP in that it is not a space flight sim, nor does it have swordplay.
Instead it is purely a shooter, but even in that was unusual, as it featured lives.

#9: Guessed by Darashiva: Okami

ranking in the guessing game, list so far

11) The mention of the future is making me think Xenoblade Chronicles

That is the correct thinking. I decided to go completely with Dunban quotes in the hints this year, the second one with the future for the taking is from the intro, the others are battle quotes.

drbunnig said:
Mnementh said:

#10: (it is not: Mario Teaches Typing, LEGO Star Wars)
This is a game set in one of the biggest IPs in the world, but it is a bit unusual.
This IP started as movies, but encompasses now basically everything in entertainment.
This game is unusual for the IP in that it is not a space flight sim, nor does it have swordplay.
Instead it is purely a shooter, but even in that was unusual, as it featured lives.

ranking in the guessing game, list so far

Dark Forces?

Indeed, Dark Forces.



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#13 Another Code: R – A Journey into Lost Memories
guessed by drbunnig
platform Wii
release year 2009
developer/publisher Cing
genre point-and-click adventure
links Wikipedia
past years 2021: #19

Cing was for a time supplier of great adventure games for the DS: Hotel Dusk, Last Window and Another Code. This was just before adventure games got big again with Telltale games. Cing used the DS stylus for a comeback of classic point-and-click interface and had some clever puzzles and ideas in their games. But the most important thing was story-telling. This was great.

Now after some success with Hotel Dusk and Another Code, Nintendo of Japan asked for sequels of both. Last Window, the sequel to Hotel Dusk, was another DS game. But with Another Code R Cing brought the franchise to the other hot console from Nintendo: the Wii.

As with the DS stylus, they utilized the pointer function of the Wiimote to implement point-and-click mechanics. The story of Ashley Mizuki Robins is continued, more mysteries of her past about her mother and her research into memories are uncovered. This time is also her father around, and as it fits a teenager she is pissed at him. Rightfully so though, as even though they reconnected through the events of the past game, he is again unavailable, deeply buried into research.

Another Code R is among the visually most impressive Wii games, the excellent art style works even today, even with the limited resolution of the Wii. Gameplay works very well, the puzzles are clever designed. And the story-telling is great. The characters are really relatable and their emotions are well expressed in this art style.

But there is a sad part to the story of the game. Cing filed for bankruptcy later on. This might well have been the case, because Nintendo of America didn't release an already localized game, as it was translated for the european release. And the first game sold most in America, so Cing probably calculated with that in mind. NoA fucked this up. An excellent company is gone and sadly this probably also means will never see a port or remaster of their games. The only way for you to play it is to hunt down a physical copy. And this for a game that released only in japan and europe. Good luck. I know I keep my copy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zEtzLtEarU&ab_channel=HikikomoriMedia

Last edited by Mnementh - on 20 December 2022

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my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024

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