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sc94597 said:

She did eventually apologize, but never retracted her belief, only apologized for spreading her belief really. 

Well I can see why people come to that conclusion if they are unaware that the diagnosis for autism has changed over the years. It wasn't even diagnosed at all before.

It's how people handle information that breaks their world view on these things that matters.
If they double down on it, or continue to spread other unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, then yes.



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 Hale has been known for a while to be a little nutty but she is professional and that's a big difference between her and Hellena.



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Hiku said:

She did eventually apologize, but never retracted her belief, only apologized for spreading her belief really. 

Well I can see why people come to that conclusion if they are unaware that the diagnosis for autism has changed over the years. It wasn't even diagnosed at all before.

It's how people handle information that breaks their world view on these things that matters.
If they double down on it, or continue to spread other unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, then yes.

Leynos said:

 Hale has been known for a while to be a little nutty but she is professional and that's a big difference between her and Hellena.

Her apologies weren't the worst apologies I've seen, but they also didn't recognize the point of how the problem with what she said isn't just how it was worded, but the actual content of what was being said. Still, I have little doubt that she is a much better person than Hellena and she seems to have good intentions. Just important to recognize that people with good intentions can be harmful, and when they are they need to scale-back and self-reflect. 



So, what we got from all of this is never trust Western VAs and always trust King Kamiya. The sweethearts are not so sweet, while the supposedly douchebag is based af. Very unfortunate since I put my trust on the individuals, corporates prevails!!! ... ... ... I'm joking chill guys. The real lesson is that there's no hope in humanity



sc94597 said:
Hiku said:

Well I can see why people come to that conclusion if they are unaware that the diagnosis for autism has changed over the years. It wasn't even diagnosed at all before.

It's how people handle information that breaks their world view on these things that matters.
If they double down on it, or continue to spread other unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, then yes.

Leynos said:

 Hale has been known for a while to be a little nutty but she is professional and that's a big difference between her and Hellena.

Her apologies weren't the worst apologies I've seen, but they also didn't recognize the point of how the problem with what she said isn't just how it was worded, but the actual content of what was being said. Still, I have little doubt that she is a much better person than Hellena and she seems to have good intentions. Just important to recognize that people with good intentions can be harmful, and when they are they need to scale-back and self-reflect. 

A lot of people love to say they do research and read science just to spout non-sense kkkk. And there is a lot of people that loves to say or act like they have good intentions but the results are terrible.



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Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

This type of document yes very few should have access to and leak. The leaking itself could give margin for lawsuits (but since she broke NDA herself, or at least that is the claim, that could lose some weight, although in some countries like Brazil she breaking NDA wouldn't be considered as troublesome as the company at least to our judges that mostly side with employees/contractors).

Yes she just saying the journalists are trustworthy is perfectly fine (although the wording seems to indicate more to the document than their credentials, she had already said they were trustworthy on a different tweet), and sure it is likely that PG just said to her the documents is real, but if they said they leaked document them they would be making her an accomplice of something unethical or illegal.

Yeah, if PG were to clue her in on that, I don't expect it would be through a direct admission, but rather implying that the documents are real. Perhaps by saying something like "it appears we have a problem in Platinum Games with someone leaking information to the press. We will look into it and make sure that doesn't happen again".

Or probably something even more subtle like "we'll make sure the truth of the matter gets to the public eventually, don't worry."
Because it is likely a crime, so the fewer that know, the less likely it'll go to court.

But on that note, I think both parties will want to avoid making this a legal matter now.
They know that Hellena Taylor (probably) won't do that because she admitted to breaking NDA. So she will get punished as well. That may also be why they may have felt more comfortable leaking the documents than they normally would.

Machiavellian said:

To behonest that would be bad for Platinum and expose them to a lawsuit.  HR information really cannot be shared outside of the company in most countries and documents like this leaked or otherwise presents a big risk of Platinum exposing themselves to a nice pay day for Taylor.  They just should present a statement that the info is false and moved on.  Anything more than that could allow things to spiral down a legal path they really do not want to go.

Well Helena Taylor admitted in public that she broke NDA, and presented the same kind of information to the public. So I find it hard to believe she would try to push for a lawsuit here, if Platinum leave her alone for that one. Becasuse if she does, they'll go after her for what she admitted on camera. And it'll be a lot easier for them to prove who was behind the NDA breach on her side.

sc94597 said:

Wait so just found out Jennifer Hale believes (or at least believed, but probably still does given her conditional apologies) in conspiracy theories about autism being caused or exacerbated by Monsanto's GMO's and now wondering if anybody in this controversy doesn't have shitty views.

Taylor seems to be a TERF (if she is even a feminist at all; gives slight fundamentalist vibes, which is odd considering Bayonetta's character) and supports fascist propaganda in the vein of "Blue Lives Matters", Kamiya has consistently expressed moderately xenophobic sentiments (possibly by accident, but hardly excuses it), and Hale only apologized for sharing her ableist conspiracy theory not for having it in the first place. 

My position is just going to remain: workers (no matter what their contribution is; or their moral integrity) need to be paid more than they currently are, investors need to be paid less dividends than they currently are. This is even if the workers included people with bad takes, and the investors include only angels who are "morally pure." Pay people for working, not for managing property and playing the arbitrage game. 

If Hale is a conspiracy theories, then it seems more likely that she just retweeted those stories because she trusts the track record of the journalists, etc.

Taylor still can get paid.  It depends on the nature of each offense.  Unless there is some type of penalty in breaking NDA, that would be between both parties agreement.  Meaning that the offense could just be a fine, non employment or something along those lines.  Illegally sharing contract information can be a something tried in court and breaking a NDA will not absolve that offense.  Its really dangerous and pointless to expose your business to something like this and I can assure you there is a lawyer that would take up this case.



Leynos said:

 Hale has been known for a while to be a little nutty but she is professional and that's a big difference between her and Hellena.

The thing is none of us really know any of these people.  We make huge assumptions about a person based on some junk we read about them on social media but usually that is probably less than 10% of who a person is.  I have no clue the difference between Hale or Hellena because I really do not know either one of these people.  I usually do not make assumptions on who a person is based on comments from social media more than whether I agree or disagree with their point or point of view for a particular subject.  Most times people will assume they understand everything about someone just by a few statements they make which is never a case for any individual.

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Machiavellian said:
Leynos said:

 Hale has been known for a while to be a little nutty but she is professional and that's a big difference between her and Hellena.

The thing is none of really know any of these people.  We make huge assumptions about a person based on some junk we read about them on social media but usually that is probably less than 10% of who a person is.  I have no clue the difference between Hale or Hellena because I really do not know either one of these people.  I usually do not make assumptions on who a person is based on comments from social media more than whether I agree or disagree with their point or point of view for a particular subject.  Most times people will assume they understand everything about someone just by a few statements they make which is never a case for any individual.

 Hale has a long long long resume and has a reputation of being professional. Liked her work a long time. Not a fan of her just her work. But she has shown many times she is professional. Hellena has proven with this stunt the total opposite. Both are under an NDA and one chose to break it out of being petty.



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This obsession with NDA's is silly tbh. Most NDA's have a lot of unenforceable stuff in them.

For example, here (Pennsylvania, U.S) the right to share the information Taylor shared would be protected despite the NDA. If Platinum wanted to sue or countersue they'd probably have an easier time with a slander case. She lives in the U.K of course and they have weaker protections there.

I've signed probably half a dozen NDAs/non-compete agreements and probably only 10% of the stuff that was in them are enforceable (mostly if I shared company code with another company really.)

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Machiavellian said:
Hiku said:

Yeah, if PG were to clue her in on that, I don't expect it would be through a direct admission, but rather implying that the documents are real. Perhaps by saying something like "it appears we have a problem in Platinum Games with someone leaking information to the press. We will look into it and make sure that doesn't happen again".

Or probably something even more subtle like "we'll make sure the truth of the matter gets to the public eventually, don't worry."
Because it is likely a crime, so the fewer that know, the less likely it'll go to court.

But on that note, I think both parties will want to avoid making this a legal matter now.
They know that Hellena Taylor (probably) won't do that because she admitted to breaking NDA. So she will get punished as well. That may also be why they may have felt more comfortable leaking the documents than they normally would.

Machiavellian said:

To behonest that would be bad for Platinum and expose them to a lawsuit.  HR information really cannot be shared outside of the company in most countries and documents like this leaked or otherwise presents a big risk of Platinum exposing themselves to a nice pay day for Taylor.  They just should present a statement that the info is false and moved on.  Anything more than that could allow things to spiral down a legal path they really do not want to go.

Well Helena Taylor admitted in public that she broke NDA, and presented the same kind of information to the public. So I find it hard to believe she would try to push for a lawsuit here, if Platinum leave her alone for that one. Becasuse if she does, they'll go after her for what she admitted on camera. And it'll be a lot easier for them to prove who was behind the NDA breach on her side.

If Hale is a conspiracy theories, then it seems more likely that she just retweeted those stories because she trusts the track record of the journalists, etc.

Taylor still can get paid.  It depends on the nature of each offense.  Unless there is some type of penalty in breaking NDA, that would be between both parties agreement.  Meaning that the offense could just be a fine, non employment or something along those lines.  Illegally sharing contract information can be a something tried in court and breaking a NDA will not absolve that offense.  Its really dangerous and pointless to expose your business to something like this and I can assure you there is a lawyer that would take up this case.

I'm not sure this information was on any contract since they seemingly never left the negotiation stage.
But what I was saying was that Taylor shared the same type of information vocally, by telling us how much she was supposed to get paid, for how much work, etc.
I didn't suggest that Taylor breaking NDA would absolve any of what PG may have done. I'm saying her doing the same thing verbally means she may not want to persue this legally, because they'll go after her as well then. Especially if she is in financial trouble, as PG + potentially Nintendo have the money for a drawn out legal battle.