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Paatar said:
DonFerrari said:

I would say if Jennifer Hale had access to the propose to the other actor that is minimum unethical and possibly illegal

It’s neither of those if the negotiations went sour and they showed her amidst the controversy internally when they hired her. 

Nope, she isn't HR or the direct leader of the other VAs nor the manager of the company to see salaries/wages/etc of any employee no matter the case.



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Kakadu18 said:
DonFerrari said:

I would say if Jennifer Hale had access to the propose to the other actor that is minimum unethical and possibly illegal

She might know about them offering Taylor a cameo.

She knowing the other person was offered a job sure may happen (although it doesn't make much sense to talk about someone not hired with someone you hired), but the way it was rolled on the tweet comment makes it seems like she knew how much was offered, otherwise she agreeing with the full tweet makes no sense, she already had confirmed about the a role offer.

And you can see PG management is a mess. One of the vital things structured companies have on their training and sometimes even contract is to reinforce that you don't talk in the name of company, don't comment in legal things regarding the company, etc. Only people with authorization to do so do it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Kakadu18 said:

She might know about them offering Taylor a cameo.

She knowing the other person was offered a job sure may happen (although it doesn't make much sense to talk about someone not hired with someone you hired), but the way it was rolled on the tweet comment makes it seems like she knew how much was offered, otherwise she agreeing with the full tweet makes no sense, she already had confirmed about the a role offer.

And you can see PG management is a mess. One of the vital things structured companies have on their training and sometimes even contract is to reinforce that you don't talk in the name of company, don't comment in legal things regarding the company, etc. Only people with authorization to do so do it.

Thinking about where the leaked documents came from that were presented to Jason/Bloomberg, etc, you'd think not many at Platinum would have access to the those. So this may have come from the top, because Taylor decided to publically break NDA with missleading information.
Leaking those documents is probably also illegal. But understandable considering the circumstances.

Since Hale was dragged into this and attacked, Platinum may have reached out to her and briefed her on what they plan to do to protect their employees. She may have found out that the documents were sent to Bloomberg that way. Not neccesarily the specifics of what were in them.

Though it could also just be her banking on the reputation of those journalists.

Last edited by Hiku - on 20 October 2022

DonFerrari said:
Paatar said:

It’s neither of those if the negotiations went sour and they showed her amidst the controversy internally when they hired her. 

Nope, she isn't HR or the direct leader of the other VAs nor the manager of the company to see salaries/wages/etc of any employee no matter the case.

She’s not seeing an employee’s wage, Hellena wasn’t hired. Platinum showing what they were going to pay for the role for someone else isn’t illegal. It’s literally like getting hired for a job and during negotiations the hiring manager shows the paperwork that shows your pay—the same paperwork they showed every other employee upon hiring. 

You have to know what others were going to get paid for negotiations—especially if you are more prestigious because then you have no basis to negotiate. 



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Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

She knowing the other person was offered a job sure may happen (although it doesn't make much sense to talk about someone not hired with someone you hired), but the way it was rolled on the tweet comment makes it seems like she knew how much was offered, otherwise she agreeing with the full tweet makes no sense, she already had confirmed about the a role offer.

And you can see PG management is a mess. One of the vital things structured companies have on their training and sometimes even contract is to reinforce that you don't talk in the name of company, don't comment in legal things regarding the company, etc. Only people with authorization to do so do it.

Thinking about where the leaked documents came from that were presented to Jason/Bloomberg, etc, you'd think not many at Platinum would have access to the those. So this may have come from the top, because Taylor decided to publicly break NDA with misleading information.
Leaking those documents is probably also illegal. But understandable considering the circumstances.

Since Hale was dragged into this and attacked, Platinum may have reached out to her and briefed her on what they plan to do to protect their employees. She may have found out that the documents were sent to Bloomberg that way. Not necessarily the specifics of what were in them.

Though it could also just be her banking on the reputation of those journalists.

This type of document yes very few should have access to and leak. The leaking itself could give margin for lawsuits (but since she broke NDA herself, or at least that is the claim, that could lose some weight, although in some countries like Brazil she breaking NDA wouldn't be considered as troublesome as the company at least to our judges that mostly side with employees/contractors).

Yes she just saying the journalists are trustworthy is perfectly fine (although the wording seems to indicate more to the document than their credentials, she had already said they were trustworthy on a different tweet), and sure it is likely that PG just said to her the documents is real, but if they said they leaked document them they would be making her an accomplice of something unethical or illegal.

Paatar said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, she isn't HR or the direct leader of the other VAs nor the manager of the company to see salaries/wages/etc of any employee no matter the case.

She’s not seeing an employee’s wage, Hellena wasn’t hired. Platinum showing what they were going to pay for the role for someone else isn’t illegal. It’s literally like getting hired for a job and during negotiations the hiring manager shows the paperwork that shows your pay—the same paperwork they showed every other employee upon hiring. 

You have to know what others were going to get paid for negotiations—especially if you are more prestigious because then you have no basis to negotiate. 

Nope, that isn't how negotiations work, at least not ones done ethically. You don't disclose how much OTHER people have asked or were offered, you show how much you are offering for that person.

Also ethically speaking you don't even name whoever else you are negotiating or have negotiated with.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Hiku said:
DonFerrari said:

She knowing the other person was offered a job sure may happen (although it doesn't make much sense to talk about someone not hired with someone you hired), but the way it was rolled on the tweet comment makes it seems like she knew how much was offered, otherwise she agreeing with the full tweet makes no sense, she already had confirmed about the a role offer.

And you can see PG management is a mess. One of the vital things structured companies have on their training and sometimes even contract is to reinforce that you don't talk in the name of company, don't comment in legal things regarding the company, etc. Only people with authorization to do so do it.

Thinking about where the leaked documents came from that were presented to Jason/Bloomberg, etc, you'd think not many at Platinum would have access to the those. So this may have come from the top, because Taylor decided to publically break NDA with missleading information.
Leaking those documents is probably also illegal. But understandable considering the circumstances.

Since Hale was dragged into this and attacked, Platinum may have reached out to her and briefed her on what they plan to do to protect their employees. She may have found out that the documents were sent to Bloomberg that way. Not neccesarily the specifics of what were in them.

Though it could also just be her banking on the reputation of those journalists.

To behonest that would be bad for Platinum and expose them to a lawsuit.  HR information really cannot be shared outside of the company in most countries and documents like this leaked or otherwise presents a big risk of Platinum exposing themselves to a nice pay day for Taylor.  They just should present a statement that the info is false and moved on.  Anything more than that could allow things to spiral down a legal path they really do not want to go.



Wait so just found out Jennifer Hale believes (or at least believed, but probably still does given her conditional apologies) in conspiracy theories about autism being caused or exacerbated by Monsanto's GMO's and now wondering if anybody in this controversy doesn't have shitty views.

Taylor seems to be a TERF (if she is even a feminist at all; gives slight fundamentalist vibes, which is odd considering Bayonetta's character) and supports fascist propaganda in the vein of "Blue Lives Matters", Kamiya has consistently expressed moderately xenophobic sentiments (possibly by accident, but hardly excuses it), and Hale only apologized for sharing her ableist conspiracy theory not for having it in the first place. 

My position is just going to remain: workers (no matter what their contribution is; or their moral integrity) need to be paid more than they currently are, investors need to be paid less dividends than they currently are. This is even if the workers included people with bad takes, and the investors include only angels who are "morally pure." Pay people for working, not for managing property and playing the arbitrage game. 



DonFerrari said:

This type of document yes very few should have access to and leak. The leaking itself could give margin for lawsuits (but since she broke NDA herself, or at least that is the claim, that could lose some weight, although in some countries like Brazil she breaking NDA wouldn't be considered as troublesome as the company at least to our judges that mostly side with employees/contractors).

Yes she just saying the journalists are trustworthy is perfectly fine (although the wording seems to indicate more to the document than their credentials, she had already said they were trustworthy on a different tweet), and sure it is likely that PG just said to her the documents is real, but if they said they leaked document them they would be making her an accomplice of something unethical or illegal.

Yeah, if PG were to clue her in on that, I don't expect it would be through a direct admission, but rather implying that the documents are real. Perhaps by saying something like "it appears we have a problem in Platinum Games with someone leaking information to the press. We will look into it and make sure that doesn't happen again".

Or probably something even more subtle like "we'll make sure the truth of the matter gets to the public eventually, don't worry."
Because it is likely a crime, so the fewer that know, the less likely it'll go to court.

But on that note, I think both parties will want to avoid making this a legal matter now.
They know that Hellena Taylor (probably) won't do that because she admitted to breaking NDA. So she will get punished as well. That may also be why they may have felt more comfortable leaking the documents than they normally would.

Machiavellian said:
Hiku said:

Thinking about where the leaked documents came from that were presented to Jason/Bloomberg, etc, you'd think not many at Platinum would have access to the those. So this may have come from the top, because Taylor decided to publically break NDA with missleading information.
Leaking those documents is probably also illegal. But understandable considering the circumstances.

Since Hale was dragged into this and attacked, Platinum may have reached out to her and briefed her on what they plan to do to protect their employees. She may have found out that the documents were sent to Bloomberg that way. Not neccesarily the specifics of what were in them.

Though it could also just be her banking on the reputation of those journalists.

To behonest that would be bad for Platinum and expose them to a lawsuit.  HR information really cannot be shared outside of the company in most countries and documents like this leaked or otherwise presents a big risk of Platinum exposing themselves to a nice pay day for Taylor.  They just should present a statement that the info is false and moved on.  Anything more than that could allow things to spiral down a legal path they really do not want to go.

Well Helena Taylor admitted in public that she broke NDA, and presented the same kind of information to the public. So I find it hard to believe she would try to push for a lawsuit here, if Platinum leave her alone for that one. Becasuse if she does, they'll go after her for what she admitted on camera. And it'll be a lot easier for them to prove who was behind the NDA breach on her side.

sc94597 said:

Wait so just found out Jennifer Hale believes (or at least believed, but probably still does given her conditional apologies) in conspiracy theories about autism being caused or exacerbated by Monsanto's GMO's and now wondering if anybody in this controversy doesn't have shitty views.

Taylor seems to be a TERF (if she is even a feminist at all; gives slight fundamentalist vibes, which is odd considering Bayonetta's character) and supports fascist propaganda in the vein of "Blue Lives Matters", Kamiya has consistently expressed moderately xenophobic sentiments (possibly by accident, but hardly excuses it), and Hale only apologized for sharing her ableist conspiracy theory not for having it in the first place. 

My position is just going to remain: workers (no matter what their contribution is; or their moral integrity) need to be paid more than they currently are, investors need to be paid less dividends than they currently are. This is even if the workers included people with bad takes, and the investors include only angels who are "morally pure." Pay people for working, not for managing property and playing the arbitrage game. 

If Hale is a conspiracy theories, then it seems more likely that she just retweeted those stories because she trusts the track record of the journalists, etc.

Last edited by Hiku - on 20 October 2022

I think whoever writes the end credits of video games should get paid more. I can barely sit through credits, imagine having to write all of it. But its important to give people credit, so #Raisefortheendcreditsguy



Hiku said:
sc94597 said:

Wait so just found out Jennifer Hale believes (or at least believed, but probably still does given her conditional apologies) in conspiracy theories about autism being caused or exacerbated by Monsanto's GMO's and now wondering if anybody in this controversy doesn't have shitty views.

Taylor seems to be a TERF (if she is even a feminist at all; gives slight fundamentalist vibes, which is odd considering Bayonetta's character) and supports fascist propaganda in the vein of "Blue Lives Matters", Kamiya has consistently expressed moderately xenophobic sentiments (possibly by accident, but hardly excuses it), and Hale only apologized for sharing her ableist conspiracy theory not for having it in the first place. 

My position is just going to remain: workers (no matter what their contribution is; or their moral integrity) need to be paid more than they currently are, investors need to be paid less dividends than they currently are. This is even if the workers included people with bad takes, and the investors include only angels who are "morally pure." Pay people for working, not for managing property and playing the arbitrage game. 

If Hale is a conspiracy theories, then it seems more likely that she just retweeted those stories because she trusts the track record of the journalists, etc.

She did eventually apologize, but never retracted her belief, only apologized for spreading her belief really. 

KLXVER said:

I think whoever writes the end credits of video games should get paid more. I can barely sit through credits, imagine having to write all of it. But its important to give people credit, so #Raisefortheendcreditsguy

Video Game producers (the persons responsible for the credits) make about $52k-120k in the U.S. They only break $100k on average after about 10-15 years. Decent pay a few years ago, but much less so now. Especially since they often live in high CoL areas. So yeah, they should be paid more indeed.