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Chrkeller said:

I've watched a few videos, DLSS looks amazing, cool tech. Given I'm not a tech person, if this is true (which is may not be), what does this mean for backwards compatability?

Games will just look and run better :) 



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Soundwave said:

I think this will launch with Zelda: TotK next May and it is a successor hardware, but Nintendo won't be migrating from the current Switch ecosystem any time soon. It'll just get the same Nintendo Switch games from Nintendo but in 4K maybe with some added effects (ray tracing or better lighting).

They likely ordered development on this chip years ago, like 2019 if not sooner, so it's simply finished or close to finished.

It'll be $399.99 minimum too I think, since I don't think the OG Switch is going anywhere, this will initially just be more like an additive model so it won't have the responsibility of having to carry an entire product line at first.

Probably a bunch of 3rd party exclusives though like Street Fighter VI and RE4 Remake and FF7 Remake I can see being announced for it.

Too soon for the Switch 2. They’ll most likely launch a Switch pro with Zelda as a definitive last iteration of the console kind of the like the 2DS XL’s. 

Metroid Prime 4 will probably be the cross Gen launch title in addition to Mario Kart 9. Switch 2 probably won’t hit the shelves until 2024, or early 2025. 



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Soundwave said:

I think this will launch with Zelda: TotK next May and it is a successor hardware, but Nintendo won't be migrating from the current Switch ecosystem any time soon. It'll just get the same Nintendo Switch games from Nintendo but in 4K maybe with some added effects (ray tracing or better lighting).

They likely ordered development on this chip years ago, like 2019 if not sooner, so it's simply finished or close to finished.

It'll be $399.99 minimum too I think, since I don't think the OG Switch is going anywhere, this will initially just be more like an additive model so it won't have the responsibility of having to carry an entire product line at first.

Probably a bunch of 3rd party exclusives though like Street Fighter VI and RE4 Remake and FF7 Remake I can see being announced for it.

Too soon for the Switch 2. They’ll most likely launch a Switch pro with Zelda as a definitive last iteration of the console kind of the like the 2DS XL’s. 

Metroid Prime 4 will probably be the cross Gen launch title in addition to Mario Kart 9. Switch 2 probably won’t hit the shelves until 2024, or early 2025. 

Ordering new hardware isn't like going into a drive through and just picking out a hamburger and fries. It takes years of development, Nintendo likely greenlit development on this chip with Nvidia in 2019 if not sooner than that even. And that makes perfect sense, if you're sitting in 2019, you're presuming a 6 year product cycle and have no idea that COVID is coming or a chip shortage is happening, you would assume 2023 would be the time you need a new chip because that's exactly the same time frame even the successful DS and Wii needed new hardware. 

So it just happens to be ready probably by now, and there likely is no benefit to Nintendo to just sit on the hardware. They may even be under a contractual agreeement that they have to ship XYZ number of units because Nvidia is expecting to be paid per unit some level or royalty fee beginning in 2023. Nvidia doesn't work for free and certainly isn't supplying several years of R&D to Nintendo in a "just pay me when you feel like it" fashion. 

I don't think Switch-Super Switch will be a traditional console transition in that I don't think one hardware is going to just suddenly stop. I can even see Mario Kart 9 being cross-gen, you'll just get it in 4K maybe with some ray tracing turned on for Super Switch (Switch 2). The Switch userbase is too big for Nintendo to want to go back to something with only 10-20-30 million users for a while. They'll likely just have a very, very long cross gen period and let 3rd parties make exclusives if they want, but I suspect all major Switch titles for a long while will still work on the OG Switch. Which really isn't that different from what Sony and MS are doing, it's almost 2 years into the PS5/XSX product cycle and there's virtually no exclusives. It even looks like GTAVI may be cross gen. 

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Makes no sense for Nintendo release new hardware, the Switch is selling too well.



Chrkeller said:

Makes no sense for Nintendo release new hardware, the Switch is selling too well.

If you order 5 pizzas for a dinner party, but then you decide at the last minute you don't want to have pizza that night but move the party to the following week, you're still paying for the pizzas you already ordered. The pizza place doesn't care if you need them or not. 

In this case the pizza place is Nvidia, lol. 

"New hardware" doesn't neccessarily have to mean the old hardware is replaced/thrown out/thrown into the discount bin any more either. The "new" Switch can just be another product in the Switch family of products. The days of one hardware completely shutting down the previous hardware are starting to go away any how. It's fall 2022 (two years since the PS5 launched) and the big flag ship Sony title for the fall (God of War Ragnarok) is still coming out on PS4. 2023 big ticket releases like Resident Evil 4 Remake are still coming out on PS4. 

Don't think the OLED Switch model and Switch Lite are going anywhere and they will be getting the top Nintendo releases for several more years past 2023. 



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Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Makes no sense for Nintendo release new hardware, the Switch is selling too well.

If you order 5 pizzas for a dinner party, but then you decide at the last minute you don't want to have pizza that night but move the party to the following week, you're still paying for the pizzas you already ordered. The pizza place doesn't care if you need them or not. 

In this case the pizza place is Nvidia, lol. 

"New hardware" doesn't neccessarily have to mean the old hardware is replaced/thrown out/thrown into the discount bin any more either. The "new" Switch can just be another product in the Switch family of products. The days of one hardware completely shutting down the previous hardware are starting to go away any how. It's fall 2022 (two years since the PS5 launched) and the big flag ship Sony title for the fall (God of War Ragnarok) is still coming out on PS4. 2023 big ticket releases like Resident Evil 4 Remake are still coming out on PS4. 

Don't think the OLED Switch model and Switch Lite are going anywhere and they will be getting the top Nintendo releases for several more years past 2023. 

Correct.  Just because I bought something doesn't mean I have to use it.  And I'm guessing via Switch sales Nvidia is selling more than expected.  I would suspect their relationship with Nintendo is quite nice at the moment.  

Personally I am happy to upgrade...  but I've been told every year for 3 years now...  a new Switch is coming...  still waiting.  Will there ever be a point where people accept there isn't a Switch Pro?



Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

If you order 5 pizzas for a dinner party, but then you decide at the last minute you don't want to have pizza that night but move the party to the following week, you're still paying for the pizzas you already ordered. The pizza place doesn't care if you need them or not. 

In this case the pizza place is Nvidia, lol. 

"New hardware" doesn't neccessarily have to mean the old hardware is replaced/thrown out/thrown into the discount bin any more either. The "new" Switch can just be another product in the Switch family of products. The days of one hardware completely shutting down the previous hardware are starting to go away any how. It's fall 2022 (two years since the PS5 launched) and the big flag ship Sony title for the fall (God of War Ragnarok) is still coming out on PS4. 2023 big ticket releases like Resident Evil 4 Remake are still coming out on PS4. 

Don't think the OLED Switch model and Switch Lite are going anywhere and they will be getting the top Nintendo releases for several more years past 2023. 

Correct.  Just because I bought something doesn't mean I have to use it.  And I'm guessing via Switch sales Nvidia is selling more than expected.  I would suspect their relationship with Nintendo is quite nice at the moment.  

Personally I am happy to upgrade...  but I've been told every year for 3 years now...  a new Switch is coming...  still waiting.  Will there ever be a point where people accept there isn't a Switch Pro?

And considering Nvidia is making millions off the Switch by selling almost 10 year old chips, I have no doubt they're beyond happy lol.

What has been consistent is getting a Switch revision every other year. 2017-launch Switch. 2019-Switch Lite. 2021-Switch OLED. With that consistent kind of releases, I wouldn't be surprised if we do get another hardware revision in 2023. Before this rumor, I was kind of expecting a Switch Lite OLED in 2023



gtotheunit91 said:
Chrkeller said:

Correct.  Just because I bought something doesn't mean I have to use it.  And I'm guessing via Switch sales Nvidia is selling more than expected.  I would suspect their relationship with Nintendo is quite nice at the moment.  

Personally I am happy to upgrade...  but I've been told every year for 3 years now...  a new Switch is coming...  still waiting.  Will there ever be a point where people accept there isn't a Switch Pro?

And considering Nvidia is making millions off the Switch by selling almost 10 year old chips, I have no doubt they're beyond happy lol.

What has been consistent is getting a Switch revision every other year. 2017-launch Switch. 2019-Switch Lite. 2021-Switch OLED. With that consistent kind of releases, I wouldn't be surprised if we do get another hardware revision in 2023. Before this rumor, I was kind of expecting a Switch Lite OLED in 2023

For sure I could see a revision...  I just don't think it will be the 4k DSLL 60 fps Pro some people are expecting.  



Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

If you order 5 pizzas for a dinner party, but then you decide at the last minute you don't want to have pizza that night but move the party to the following week, you're still paying for the pizzas you already ordered. The pizza place doesn't care if you need them or not. 

In this case the pizza place is Nvidia, lol. 

"New hardware" doesn't neccessarily have to mean the old hardware is replaced/thrown out/thrown into the discount bin any more either. The "new" Switch can just be another product in the Switch family of products. The days of one hardware completely shutting down the previous hardware are starting to go away any how. It's fall 2022 (two years since the PS5 launched) and the big flag ship Sony title for the fall (God of War Ragnarok) is still coming out on PS4. 2023 big ticket releases like Resident Evil 4 Remake are still coming out on PS4. 

Don't think the OLED Switch model and Switch Lite are going anywhere and they will be getting the top Nintendo releases for several more years past 2023. 

Correct.  Just because I bought something doesn't mean I have to use it.  And I'm guessing via Switch sales Nvidia is selling more than expected.  I would suspect their relationship with Nintendo is quite nice at the moment.  

Personally I am happy to upgrade...  but I've been told every year for 3 years now...  a new Switch is coming...  still waiting.  Will there ever be a point where people accept there isn't a Switch Pro?

I don't think that's how chip agreements work. Nintendo either has to pay Nvidia upfront for all the R&D cost of this chip or probably even more likely there is a royalty fee per unit that Nvidia expects, meaning Nintendo has to start selling a certain number of these chips possibly in 2023 as an pre-agreed upon price per unit. 

Because Nvidia has their own internal profit targets they want to hit and they have planned for, just saying "well we don't need the chip so we won't pay you for another year or two" isn't likely going to fly. If you paint someone's house because you're expecting that money to help pay your bills for the month, I don't think you're going to be OK with the person paying you trying to say "well I actually didn't need my house painted this month so let me pay you next year". 



Chrkeller said:
gtotheunit91 said:

And considering Nvidia is making millions off the Switch by selling almost 10 year old chips, I have no doubt they're beyond happy lol.

What has been consistent is getting a Switch revision every other year. 2017-launch Switch. 2019-Switch Lite. 2021-Switch OLED. With that consistent kind of releases, I wouldn't be surprised if we do get another hardware revision in 2023. Before this rumor, I was kind of expecting a Switch Lite OLED in 2023

For sure I could see a revision...  I just don't think it will be the 4k DSLL 60 fps Pro some people are expecting.  

I have no doubt that a 4K60fps Switch with DLSS capabilities is being worked on. Console manufacturers are always working on the "next-gen" console pretty soon after the launch of a new system, but Nintendo is going to keep that as close to the chest as possible until they have to. Possibly a pre-existing agreement between Nintendo and Nvidia. 

Nintendo won't even drop the price of the original Switch. Why should we expect they're imminently going to release a Pro or Switch 2 anytime soon? If there's one thing I've learned throughout my gaming life, is that Nintendo is almost never going to do what we expect them to do.