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Chrkeller said:

Makes no sense for Nintendo release new hardware, the Switch is selling too well.

Now that Nintendo only has one platform they need to release new hardware while its still selling well to avoid periods of time of low sales. 



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bowserthedog said:
Chrkeller said:

Makes no sense for Nintendo release new hardware, the Switch is selling too well.

Now that Nintendo only has one platform they need to release new hardware while its still selling well to avoid periods of time of low sales. 

Fair point, but my response was regarding a new Switch when BotW2 launches....  that ain't happening.  Perhaps a 2023 xmas new hardware?  Maybe.  2024, sure.  But we aren't getting new hardware in less than a year.  

*by new hardware I mean a real upgrade, not minor



Leynos said:

Switch is well above a 360 and no Orin has less bandwidth than XBO overall. You are not taking into account XBO Esram which put XBO's total bandwidth at 109GB. The Jetson Orin is 102. XBO is a ballpark range for a mobile chip that Nintendo will go with. Of course it will have new features but overall powe range is XBO.

The ESRAM in the Xbox One is 32MB. You can't take the ESRAM bandwidth and add it to the total RAM bandwidth and call it a day. That's literally like saying the 360's RAM bandwidth was over 250GB/s (it wasn't). While ESRAM can help with bandwidth limitations, it's more often used for framebuffers. 



Chrkeller said:
bowserthedog said:

Now that Nintendo only has one platform they need to release new hardware while its still selling well to avoid periods of time of low sales. 

Fair point, but my response was regarding a new Switch when BotW2 launches....  that ain't happening.  Perhaps a 2023 xmas new hardware?  Maybe.  2024, sure.  But we aren't getting new hardware in less than a year.  

*by new hardware I mean a real upgrade, not minor

May actually is not that bad of a time window. 

Your point about having to announce it now is a bad idea because it would impact Switch sales for this holiday season and why would you want to do that. 

May release means they can comfortably unveil say in January 2023 so as to not impact holiday sales and then launch a few months later. 

I don't know if that's their plan, but a May launch is attractive for that reason especially. You also have time to replenish stocks for the holiday season, launching in the holiday season is kind of a waste because early adopters are just going to buy the first batches of systems no matter what, leaving regular consumers with no systems for the holiday rush, I've always felt launching before the holiday season is smarter. 

I don't think again though "new hardware" means the "old hardware" is some how now obsolete. Nintendo probably ordered new hardware for 2023 years ago and it could simply be the hardware is ready for that time frame because these things have to be planned years in advance. If the don't want to leave the current Switch ecosystem they don't have to ... simply keep making games for the Switch OG and just let them run at 4K on the new system for several years before transitioning software support to the newer model. 

I can see even Mario Kart 9 still being playable on the OG Switch because do you really want to lose out on a 100 million userbase. A 4K version of MK even with Switch 1 tier graphics is still going to look good. 

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Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Fair point, but my response was regarding a new Switch when BotW2 launches....  that ain't happening.  Perhaps a 2023 xmas new hardware?  Maybe.  2024, sure.  But we aren't getting new hardware in less than a year.  

*by new hardware I mean a real upgrade, not minor

May actually is not that bad of a time window. 

Your point about having to announce it now is a bad idea because it would impact Switch sales for this holiday season and why would you want to do that. 

May release means they can comfortably unveil say in January 2023 so as to not impact holiday sales and then launch a few months later. 

I don't know if that's their plan, but a May launch is attractive for that reason especially. 

I don't think again though "new hardware" means the "old hardware" is some how now obsolete. Nintendo probably ordered new hardware for 2023 years ago and it could simply be the hardware is ready for that time frame because these things have to be planned years in advance. If the don't want to leave the current Switch ecosystem they don't have to ... simply keep making games for the Switch OG and just let them run at 4K on the new system for several years before transitioning software support to the newer model. 

I can see even Mario Kart 9 still being playable on the OG Switch because do you really want to lose out on a 100 million userbase. A 4K version of MK even with Switch 1 tier graphics is still going to look good. 

I simply do not recall ever hearing of a hardware announcement and a launch a couple months later.  Seems highly unlikely.  Plus doing as such would be horrid for PR.  You buy a $300 Switch for xmas to find out a week later there is going to be a better version......  yeah, brilliant marketing strategy.  A great way to alienate a whole bunch of consumers.  



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So is that good tech?



Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

May actually is not that bad of a time window. 

Your point about having to announce it now is a bad idea because it would impact Switch sales for this holiday season and why would you want to do that. 

May release means they can comfortably unveil say in January 2023 so as to not impact holiday sales and then launch a few months later. 

I don't know if that's their plan, but a May launch is attractive for that reason especially. 

I don't think again though "new hardware" means the "old hardware" is some how now obsolete. Nintendo probably ordered new hardware for 2023 years ago and it could simply be the hardware is ready for that time frame because these things have to be planned years in advance. If the don't want to leave the current Switch ecosystem they don't have to ... simply keep making games for the Switch OG and just let them run at 4K on the new system for several years before transitioning software support to the newer model. 

I can see even Mario Kart 9 still being playable on the OG Switch because do you really want to lose out on a 100 million userbase. A 4K version of MK even with Switch 1 tier graphics is still going to look good. 

I simply do not recall ever hearing of a hardware announcement and a launch a couple months later.  Seems highly unlikely.  Plus doing as such would be horrid for PR.  You buy a $300 Switch for xmas to find out a week later there is going to be a better version......  yeah, brilliant marketing strategy.  A great way to alienate a whole bunch of consumers.  

I mean the Switch itself was officially unveiled in late October 2016 and launched in the first week of March 2017. Which is basically like 4 months. And that was OK because Nintendo had nothing that holiday season anyway (Wii U was dead and 3DS was geriatric by that point). PS5 was officially unveiled in June 2020 and launched 5 months later in November. 

It's not the 1990s or 2000s anymore. Popular electronics being unveiled even a week before launch is normal for consumers (see Apple iPhone). 

4-5 month lead time is more than enough in the 2020s. 

You're going to piss off people who have just bought the older model at some point no matter what that's unavoidable, what difference does it really make if its late January or say April, that person's Switch they got for holiday that previous December is still going to be "new" in their eyes. 



Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

I simply do not recall ever hearing of a hardware announcement and a launch a couple months later.  Seems highly unlikely.  Plus doing as such would be horrid for PR.  You buy a $300 Switch for xmas to find out a week later there is going to be a better version......  yeah, brilliant marketing strategy.  A great way to alienate a whole bunch of consumers.  

I mean the Switch itself was officially unveiled in late October 2016 and launched in the first week of March 2017. Which is basically like 4 months. And that was OK because Nintendo had nothing that holiday season anyway (Wii U was dead and 3DS was geriatric by that point). PS5 was officially unveiled in June 2020 and launched 5 months later in November. 

It's not the 1990s or 2000s anymore. Popular electronics being unveiled even a week before launch is normal for consumers (see Apple iPhone). 

4-5 month lead time is more than enough in the 2020s. 

You're going to piss off people who have just bought the older model at some point no matter what that's unavoidable, what difference does it really make if its late January or say April, that person's Switch they got for holiday that previous December is still going to be "new" in their eyes. 

We will have to agree to disagree.  I don't see a new hardware announcement right after the holidays, bad PR.  And I don't see an announcement followed by a launch a few months later.  I just don't buy it.  

And the difference is the holiday sales are significantly higher than Q1.  So there would be more unhappy consumers if they announce right after the holidays.  



I just want a powerful Nintendo console. Bring back old Hiroshi Yamauchi.



Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

I simply do not recall ever hearing of a hardware announcement and a launch a couple months later.  Seems highly unlikely.  Plus doing as such would be horrid for PR.  You buy a $300 Switch for xmas to find out a week later there is going to be a better version......  yeah, brilliant marketing strategy.  A great way to alienate a whole bunch of consumers.  

I mean the Switch itself was officially unveiled in late October 2016 and launched in the first week of March 2017. Which is basically like 4 months. And that was OK because Nintendo had nothing that holiday season anyway (Wii U was dead and 3DS was geriatric by that point). PS5 was officially unveiled in June 2020 and launched 5 months later in November. 

It's not the 1990s or 2000s anymore. Popular electronics being unveiled even a week before launch is normal for consumers (see Apple iPhone). 

4-5 month lead time is more than enough in the 2020s. 

You're going to piss off people who have just bought the older model at some point no matter what that's unavoidable, what difference does it really make if its late January or say April, that person's Switch they got for holiday that previous December is still going to be "new" in their eyes. 

It is possible the Switch's successor is announced not that long before launch but the PS5 doesn't really support your argument since while it was fully shown off in June 2020 it was announced and talked about quite a bit in 2019 so anyone paying a bit of attention knew well in advance the PS5 was coming late 2020.