I think typical Nintendo games buyers are simply not into first person games much. Nintendo barely makes them. First person games are notoriously unpopular in Japan.

I think the fandom is louder then the reality in the market. I guess a Prime4 could do 2.5 million perhaps. I hope I'm wrong and it would do better, but I'm skeptical.

I am gonna make a bold prediction and say that MP4 is 1st and 3rd person mix, just like other M, but better implemented of course, specially now that Switch Joy cons have a better control scheme than just a wiimote

This sidetracking with the likes started with me making a funny observation and then you kept talking about in ways that weren't really true. The withdrawn likes became relevant because you said you got "at least 6 likes", but I didn't count that many; therefore there must either be withdrawn ones or you lied about the number; that's all there is to that. The like-to-post ratio became relevant because you talked about likes as if you had received plenty before I had made my funny observation; a like-to-post ratio that is well below 1 like per post is nothing to brag about; that's all there is to that. You didn't say anything about the F-Zero topic anymore, but kept responding, so something else was talked about, namely the likes because of my funny observation and my toxic behavior because you deemed that to be more relevant; this is how the discussion "evolved" (I put this in quotes because the word "went sideways" is probably more appropriate in this case).

Your original argument was based on a misunderstanding, followed by perplexing behavior. I brought up DonFerrari to elaborate on what I mean, and I don't mind that you put extra spice into your responses to Don because it's appropriate in that spot; the point here is that Don and Norion are not alike, so they shouldn't be treated the same way. I am not going to pretend that I never jumped the gun when addressing someone, however, when I went wrong, I didn't drag it out for around ten posts before I started making concessions.

You don't need to take my word on this being my thread. You can either look at the Hot Topics section on this website's frontpage or at the Hot Topics list in the Forum section. My name is listed as the thread creator's in both places.

As for the good guy/bad guy talk, I'll quote myself:

And I still stand by this analysis of the situation. This was the point where you then responded that you've cleared things up with Norion privately, and I said that's good; accompanied by my funny observation of likes which was enough reason for you to fight. I can't deny that I like a good forum brawl, hence why I kept engaging.

I hope this post contained sufficient explanations for the various points you talked about. I am prepared to fight some more, because it's not like there's much else to talk about on this website. But why again do we need to fight? There's no good reason for it... well, other than the good old NFC North rivalry. If you want to fight, you can have a fight. If you want to have a productive end, you can have that too; although we are well past that end already because you and Norion are good now. So the productive end would be something along the lines of "no hard feelings"?

Guys this is just a nerdy discussion about bestselling consoles how did it become this hostile and personal, lets just be nice and civil lol

Guys this is just a nerdy discussion about bestselling consoles how did it become this hostile and personal, lets just be nice and civil lol

I will repeat this again, for what a time that is probably in the teens by now... When I misunderstood Norion's stance, I at least kept trying to get clarification. I explained my stance and my interpretation of what I thought he meant several times, and I acknowledged the possibility of other things he could have meant. At no point prior our PMs did I get a clear and consistent response to that.

You jumped into the mix also with an assumption. Turns out your assumption was right, but also as I have said several times by now, I was skeptical at that point because the whole misunderstanding could have been cleared up with a confirmation or a simple statement much earlier. Either way, between that and your self-appointed role as arbiter of who does and doesn't deserve respect on VGC, you're in the Trump tier of god complex when you're really more like The Joker.

Seriously, who the hell are you to decide who deserves to be treated in what way? This isn't preschool, and you aren't some shepherd that needs to guide your flock of children down the right path of personal development. Norion and Don are both grown ass men who can speak for themselves. The former was just as instrumental in the path that our argument went down, but he at least has the awareness to self-reflect, the maturity to own his part and the willingness to extend an olive branch. I don't need your self-appointed arbitration, that kind of person wins respect himself. The latter, as far as I know, does not.

I am not going to pretend that I never jumped the gun when addressing someone, however, when I went wrong, I didn't drag it out for around ten posts before I started making concessions.

Did you have a troll suddenly leaping out from under a bridge blindsiding you at the first opportunity when you jumped the gun? Did the troll then raise the other person's hand along with their own and start declaring winners because that's all they care about? Did the troll then keep going on and on about likes and popularity contests like its high school or Twitter before finally showing some degree of rationality about the matter himself?

I stopped bringing up F-Zero and all that other stuff because I stopped caring about that part at that point and your argument was sound. That's why I said you won. Because ultimately, that's all you want to hear. It doesn't matter what the subject is about, you want to roll around with the other party in the mud until you're the last one standing. This newfound sense of moral highstanding is a farce; you just want someone to mudwrestle with you, and you found that partner in me once again. Like I said, I've been on this site long enough to know when I'm being gaslighted by its biggest troll.

However, I do thank you for saying that part out loud. Not gaslighting, but admitting that you just want to go back and forth endlessly in a public space for no reason.

One post I made nearly two weeks ago somehow lead to all of this. 

So I made an assumption that turned out to be correct by your own admission. Doesn't sound bad then.

I've experienced much worse on this site than what you are going through here and it should be clear that most of this is here is your own fault when you keep being upset that I joined a discussion with a correct assumption, which by the way is something that everyone is allowed to do on a public forum. You were given the choice of how (or if) you want to end this here, you chose once again to fight and at the same time you are upset that the fight continues.

What do you hope to achieve here? That people view me as the most toxic user on VGC? How is this supposed to happen with the behavior you put on display.

The reason why console manufacturers target the holiday season for console launches is because it works as a safety net. Even if the launch isn't smooth, the gift-giving season is bound to provide a sales boost; this is why even the disastrous Wii U was able to manage to ship more than 3m units during its launch quarter. The other big factor is that a lot of people come together for Christmas, so there's bound to be more first-hand exposure to a new console than there would be at a different time of the year, and this exposure usually creates more post-launch demand.

Overall though, all the decades of video game history have made it clear that the launch timing isn't all that important. A well-executed system will do well regardless and a flawed system will come down to dangerous levels of sales also regardless of a holiday launch or not.

And I still stand by this analysis of the situation. This was the point where you then responded that you've cleared things up with Norion privately, and I said that's good; accompanied by my funny observation of likes which was enough reason for you to fight. I can't deny that I like a good forum brawl, hence why I kept engaging.

I hope this post contained sufficient explanations for the various points you talked about. I am prepared to fight some more, because it's not like there's much else to talk about on this website. But why again do we need to fight? There's no good reason for it... well, other than the good old NFC North rivalry. If you want to fight, you can have a fight. If you want to have a productive end, you can have that too; although we are well past that end already because you and Norion are good now. So the productive end would be something along the lines of "no hard feelings"?

Nah, it's not exciting. It's typically boring for long stretches, because financial reports are three months apart and new announcements inbetween are sparse. In that sense, going back on topic essentially means to abandon this thread for two months.