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Kakadu18 said:

Wouldn't make much sense with most of them for Nintendo. Who's Black Shadow?

Antagonist from F-Zero.

Leynos said:

Fuck this topic. Waluigi DESERVES DEATH! Fucking the worst thing to ever come from Nintendo. Keep Bayonetta and Joker FOREVER! How do I downvote topics and when can I be a mod to ban this person for this topic? I will have the Government ban their internet for life.

Try that and I will hold your head in a microwave at full blast until your head is nothing but a burned skull.

PAOerfulone said:

"Cut Bayonetta" - Not gonna happen. She's damn near 1st party at this point. As close as you could get without Nintendo outright owning the IP. She and Sonic are the only two 3rd party characters I think are completely safe. 

"Replace with Shantae" - This is even less likely. I would love to see Shantae get a spot on the roster, but if she's gonna take someone's spot, it ain't gonna be Bayonetta's.

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"Cut Hero" - Japan would like a word with you.

"Replace with Zero" - They're not gonna do that when we already have Mega Man as the ideal rep. They're just going to keep him as an Assist Trophy and a Mii Fighter costume.

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"Cut Steve" - Oh good luck with that one. Given how big Minecraft is and how big of a deal his inclusion was, I think there's a bigger chance he stays than goes.

"Replace with Waluigi" - FUCK NO! FFS, what is people's infatuation with Waluigi?!? He's a useless sack of crap! I'd rather see Captain Toad get in over Waluigi, at least he does something!

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"Cut Sora" - This is one of the few I agree with. Nothing against Sora as a fighter or character, I like him just fine. But given the shit Nintendo and Sakurai had to go through with Disney just to get him in, I'm thinking that this is a "one and done" type deal. Sorry, Sora fans.

"Replace with Isaac" - Only way I see that happening is if they are making a new GoldenSun game, which I highly doubt. If anything, this would be the spot that Shantae would take in order to get into Smash. 

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"Cut Terry"

"Replace with Dixie Kong"

Sure why not.

-------------------

"Cut Kazuya"

"Replace with Black Shadow"

Who? OH YEAH, that dude from F-Zero. Yeah, much like GoldenSun, the only way that happens is if they make a new F-Zero game, which the chances of that happening are next to none.

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"Cut Cloud"

"Replace with Urbosa"

...

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"Cut Sephiroth"

"Replace with Ghirahim"

You got something against Square Enix or something?

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"Cut Joker" NO! ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT!!!

"Replace with Dr. Eggman" - Give him Waluigi's invitation if you want him in that bad! But you leave Joker ALONE!!!!

People actually WANTED Joker? Seriously, name someone besides you and Leynos (Whom I might have to run down with a freight train if he tries anything with me) who actually wanted some random anime pretty boy douchebag.

Hero I'd say has gotta go because of reasons I won't say, the other Square Enix characters are more based on the assumption that  Terry because his franchise is now half-owned by a war criminal, Shantae because she's actually attractive while Bayonetta's just some demonic slut, and Kuntzuya because his trailer pissed me off big time for how it treated Captain Falcon AND he reduced Shantae to a Mii costume, which has become an even bigger insult to characters wanted for Smash Bros. than being an Assist Trophy.

mZuzek said:

This is one of those you'd just write off as a joke thread until you see who made it.

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Sora isn’t a Disney character.

You’ll never change.



Remove all characters that are not part of the 12 original ones, that alone will massively improve the game.
There. Done. Next thread.



Dulfite said:

I actually hope Ultimate is the final Smash of Phase 1, if you will, and that the next Smash is a long way away and revolutionizes the genre with many new features, modes, better online, story, etc. Because of this, and to make it really feel like a phase 2 rather than just another Smash sequel, I hope that they eliminate all characters from games not available on Switch (Nintendo or third party) or the next device. I want the roster to feel next gen just as much as the features. Cut everything pre-Switch unless they are making a game for it in Switch 2, then freely release said character around launch of their new game to hype it up alongside Smash. Let Ultimate be the end of Super Smash Bros. Let the next game be the beginning of Ultra Instinct Smash Bros.

In some way I agree with this. I know this is a rather unpopular opinion but I don't want a new Smash game very soon. It can take a good decade, or even longer. Smash Ultimate is already packed to the brim. I imagine the next game to be much smaller but trimmed from all the fat. However, for this to work out there needs to be a large gap in between, otherwise it would feel cheap and half-assed. Also, let's look at the concept of Smash, an arena brawler. Does this game need cutting edge technology? It can easily stay relevant on the market for a long time, even on the next Nintendo system. Especially at the current rate of diminishing returns in graphical capability. So yeah, I don't want a new Smash very soon. Also, let's give Sakurai his damn break already and let him do something new. He does great things when he wants to. Let him enjoy a breath of fresh air for once.

PAOerfulone said:

We're going to get A LOT of cuts in Smash 6, and not nearly enough new fighters.

For those thinking that we're going to get 70-80-90 fighters and basically Ultimate 2.0...
It's not gonna happen.
Ultimate was a once in a lifetime experience that we will likely never see again.

Most of the 3rd parties, a lot of older and obscure fighters are going to get cut and each Smash Bros. game moving forward is going to be a screenshot of what is relevant and big in video gaming AT THAT SPECIFIC point in time.

For example: A lot of Fire Emblem reps are going to get cut and all we're going to get for that franchise will be Marth (face of the franchise), Lucina (Marth's echo), Ike (most popular character), and whoever the main character for the next FE game is. Same deal with Pokemon. Reps like Greninja, Incineroar, and Lucario will be long gone and we're most likely going to have Pikachu, Jigglypuff, maybe Mewtwo, and the evolved form of one of the starters for that console's Pokemon game.

The only characters that are going to be safe and stay in Smash no matter what are the original 12 fighters.

Outside of that, you'll have some very popular staple characters in the franchises that will most likely stick around like Mario - Peach and Bowser; Zelda - Zelda and Ganondorf; And then, some of the popular, more Nintendo-associated 3rd party reps like Sonic, Bayonetta, and Mega Man.

After that, it's pretty much a guessing game as to who will be on a potential Smash 6 roster. But I can tell you right now, in terms of roster size, it's going to be a HUGE downgrade from Ultimate.

I agree. The roster is pretty inflated and could easily be downsized. A new Smash game is probably going to be smaller instead of bigger, at least that's what I think.

peachbuggy said:

Actually partially agree with the OP. There should be more Nintendo characters and less 3rd parties.

But please no Waluigi.



GoOnKid said:
Dulfite said:

I actually hope Ultimate is the final Smash of Phase 1, if you will, and that the next Smash is a long way away and revolutionizes the genre with many new features, modes, better online, story, etc. Because of this, and to make it really feel like a phase 2 rather than just another Smash sequel, I hope that they eliminate all characters from games not available on Switch (Nintendo or third party) or the next device. I want the roster to feel next gen just as much as the features. Cut everything pre-Switch unless they are making a game for it in Switch 2, then freely release said character around launch of their new game to hype it up alongside Smash. Let Ultimate be the end of Super Smash Bros. Let the next game be the beginning of Ultra Instinct Smash Bros.

In some way I agree with this. I know this is a rather unpopular opinion but I don't want a new Smash game very soon. It can take a good decade, or even longer. Smash Ultimate is already packed to the brim. I imagine the next game to be much smaller but trimmed from all the fat. However, for this to work out there needs to be a large gap in between, otherwise it would feel cheap and half-assed. Also, let's look at the concept of Smash, an arena brawler. Does this game need cutting edge technology? It can easily stay relevant on the market for a long time, even on the next Nintendo system. Especially at the current rate of diminishing returns in graphical capability. So yeah, I don't want a new Smash very soon. Also, let's give Sakurai his damn break already and let him do something new. He does great things when he wants to. Let him enjoy a breath of fresh air for once.

PAOerfulone said:

We're going to get A LOT of cuts in Smash 6, and not nearly enough new fighters.

For those thinking that we're going to get 70-80-90 fighters and basically Ultimate 2.0...
It's not gonna happen.
Ultimate was a once in a lifetime experience that we will likely never see again.

Most of the 3rd parties, a lot of older and obscure fighters are going to get cut and each Smash Bros. game moving forward is going to be a screenshot of what is relevant and big in video gaming AT THAT SPECIFIC point in time.

For example: A lot of Fire Emblem reps are going to get cut and all we're going to get for that franchise will be Marth (face of the franchise), Lucina (Marth's echo), Ike (most popular character), and whoever the main character for the next FE game is. Same deal with Pokemon. Reps like Greninja, Incineroar, and Lucario will be long gone and we're most likely going to have Pikachu, Jigglypuff, maybe Mewtwo, and the evolved form of one of the starters for that console's Pokemon game.

The only characters that are going to be safe and stay in Smash no matter what are the original 12 fighters.

Outside of that, you'll have some very popular staple characters in the franchises that will most likely stick around like Mario - Peach and Bowser; Zelda - Zelda and Ganondorf; And then, some of the popular, more Nintendo-associated 3rd party reps like Sonic, Bayonetta, and Mega Man.

After that, it's pretty much a guessing game as to who will be on a potential Smash 6 roster. But I can tell you right now, in terms of roster size, it's going to be a HUGE downgrade from Ultimate.

I agree. The roster is pretty inflated and could easily be downsized. A new Smash game is probably going to be smaller instead of bigger, at least that's what I think.

peachbuggy said:

Actually partially agree with the OP. There should be more Nintendo characters and less 3rd parties.

But please no Waluigi.

Yeah, I'd love for Nintendo to do an HD port of Kid Icarus Uprising yo Switch while Sakari works on two sequels. Give me a Kid Icarus Trilogy with all that story, humor, and glorious combat! Then he can make the next Smash in 2031.



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Hynad said:

Sora isn’t a Disney character.

You’ll never change.

Sora's still mainly associated with Disney. Look at his in-game Smash model and there's even a Mickey on it.

Jpcc86 said:

Remove all characters that are not part of the 12 original ones, that alone will massively improve the game.
There. Done. Next thread.

*stabs Jpcc86 repeatedly* Yes. Done indeed.



CaptainExplosion said:
Kakadu18 said:

Wouldn't make much sense with most of them for Nintendo. Who's Black Shadow?

Antagonist from F-Zero.

Leynos said:

Fuck this topic. Waluigi DESERVES DEATH! Fucking the worst thing to ever come from Nintendo. Keep Bayonetta and Joker FOREVER! How do I downvote topics and when can I be a mod to ban this person for this topic? I will have the Government ban their internet for life.

Try that and I will hold your head in a microwave at full blast until your head is nothing but a burned skull.

PAOerfulone said:

"Cut Bayonetta" - Not gonna happen. She's damn near 1st party at this point. As close as you could get without Nintendo outright owning the IP. She and Sonic are the only two 3rd party characters I think are completely safe. 

"Replace with Shantae" - This is even less likely. I would love to see Shantae get a spot on the roster, but if she's gonna take someone's spot, it ain't gonna be Bayonetta's.

-----------------

"Cut Hero" - Japan would like a word with you.

"Replace with Zero" - They're not gonna do that when we already have Mega Man as the ideal rep. They're just going to keep him as an Assist Trophy and a Mii Fighter costume.

------------------

"Cut Steve" - Oh good luck with that one. Given how big Minecraft is and how big of a deal his inclusion was, I think there's a bigger chance he stays than goes.

"Replace with Waluigi" - FUCK NO! FFS, what is people's infatuation with Waluigi?!? He's a useless sack of crap! I'd rather see Captain Toad get in over Waluigi, at least he does something!

------------------

"Cut Sora" - This is one of the few I agree with. Nothing against Sora as a fighter or character, I like him just fine. But given the shit Nintendo and Sakurai had to go through with Disney just to get him in, I'm thinking that this is a "one and done" type deal. Sorry, Sora fans.

"Replace with Isaac" - Only way I see that happening is if they are making a new GoldenSun game, which I highly doubt. If anything, this would be the spot that Shantae would take in order to get into Smash. 

-------------------

"Cut Terry"

"Replace with Dixie Kong"

Sure why not.

-------------------

"Cut Kazuya"

"Replace with Black Shadow"

Who? OH YEAH, that dude from F-Zero. Yeah, much like GoldenSun, the only way that happens is if they make a new F-Zero game, which the chances of that happening are next to none.

--------------------

"Cut Cloud"

"Replace with Urbosa"

...

------------

"Cut Sephiroth"

"Replace with Ghirahim"

You got something against Square Enix or something?

----------------------------

"Cut Joker" NO! ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT!!!

"Replace with Dr. Eggman" - Give him Waluigi's invitation if you want him in that bad! But you leave Joker ALONE!!!!

People actually WANTED Joker? Seriously, name someone besides you and Leynos (Whom I might have to run down with a freight train if he tries anything with me) who actually wanted some random anime pretty boy douchebag.

Hero I'd say has gotta go because of reasons I won't say, the other Square Enix characters are more based on the assumption that  Terry because his franchise is now half-owned by a war criminal, Shantae because she's actually attractive while Bayonetta's just some demonic slut, and Kuntzuya because his trailer pissed me off big time for how it treated Captain Falcon AND he reduced Shantae to a Mii costume, which has become an even bigger insult to characters wanted for Smash Bros. than being an Assist Trophy.

mZuzek said:

This is one of those you'd just write off as a joke thread until you see who made it.

*skins mZuzek and wears him as a hat*

I don't have a skull  I'm a mech. All your microwave would do is blow up because of me.  Besides All the characters you want to cut are the only reason I own the game. If it's just lame ass Nintendo characters it's boring as fuck and takes Nintendo back when they were dull like the N64 and Gamecube era. Nintendo's worst eras. Switch and games like Smash are so appealing because for once Nintendo is not just appealing to Nintendo die hards which sorry to break it to you,not enough to keep a system successful. Wii U proved that. So unless you want another Wii U, you gotta let Nintendo and it's series expand.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Dulfite said:
peachbuggy said:

Actually partially agree with the OP. There should be more Nintendo characters and less 3rd parties.

I'd be fine with it if all the new characters came from sub genres (like Rawk Hawk from Paper Mario) or untouched ips they own that have no representative so far. But having 5+ characters each from Pokemon, Fire Emblem... is such a waste.

I'd have characters like Karate Joe (Rhythm heaven), Chibi Robo, Legendary Starfy and maybe something retro like Mike Jones (Startropics) oh and Paper Mario definitely.



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CaptainExplosion said:
PAOerfulone said:

"Cut Joker" NO! ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT!!!

People actually WANTED Joker? Seriously, name someone besides you and Leynos (Whom I might have to run down with a freight train if he tries anything with me) who actually wanted some random anime pretty boy douchebag.

So the other day when you got downvoted in an article about the Game Awards you got sad that people just disliked you for no reason. This is the reason right here, man. You consistently show a lack of understanding that other people like things you don't. Nowhere is this more evident than with your Smash arguments, where you show entitlement to the idea that this or that character had to get in, because you like them - and when other characters join the roster instead, you throw hate at them and try to turn it into a war, like these evil characters came in and stole the rightful places of the characters you like.

It's cringe as fuck, and people won't take you seriously until you stop doing it.

The worst part is, we all know you have no reason to hate on these characters beyond this feeling that they stole something from you. You want to burn a Tekken arcade, but we all know you've never played a Tekken game. You say Metroid Dread has to win game of the year, but we know you haven't played any of the other contenders. You call Joker a random anime pretty boy douchebag, but... well in this case we don't even have to assume anything, that phrase itself already proves you've never played Persona 5 and likely no other game in the series either.

See, it's true that pretty much no one requested Joker in Smash. The reason for that is because, well, it was just inconceivable. Nintendo only went out of their way for third-party characters before if they were real flagship characters from giant franchises, and it made no sense for them to try and bring in a character like Joker, whose series was just seeing strong sales for the first time recently, and has never had a mainline game release on any Nintendo console. No one thought of it, is all. I hadn't played Persona 5 up until that point, so I didn't want Joker in it personally, but when I saw the reveal my mind was blown because I could see how big a deal that was. And he is a fantastic addition to Smash, by far my favorite DLC character in Ultimate and almost my favorite newcomer in the whole game.

So.

You don't have to play every game that's out there. It's fine if you only like certain Nintendo franchises and want to keep to that, that's not the issue. The issue is when you blindly hate on everything else like you even know what you're talking about. You don't. So let people enjoy what they enjoy, and you enjoy what you enjoy. It's called having manners.

edit: By the way, out of the 6 game of the year contenders, I also only played Metroid Dread and am also hoping it wins (though I'm pretty sure it won't). The difference is, I'm not gonna throw a tantrum if it doesn't. There's other great games out there, and having not played them gives me absolutely zero say on how good they are. So I don't.

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