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Who said MS was the only company that could do it, or that it’s the best path forward to “ensure quality content” or whatever? lol

He clearly said MS is in a unique position because of investments they have already made. Sure Sony can offer a similar service but they wouldn’t be in the position MS is in. Hell, doesn’t Sony have a deal to use Azure?

Idk what you’re talking about in regards to GamePass being most obvious path to ensure the best gaming content possible. But your worries about budget and quality are not based on reality. We sure haven’t seen any drop in budgets or quality yet. And people always ignore the fact that MS and third party companies sell these games outside of GamePass. So not only is that a path for them to make more money in the traditional way but it also means they have to release quality stuff if they want it to sell.



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Shinobi-san said:
Machiavellian said:

How many companies do you know has the capability to actually do something on the scale of GP.  Think about it this way, MS owns the software and hardware and server farms around the world.  They have invested billions on those server farms and continue to invest more.  MS is a software/service company now unlike what they were before and thus GP fits right into what they do best.  The cost for MS to do something along this line is way cheaper then lets say Sony who would have to purchase space for their service including putting their hardware around the world, upkeep etc.  Think about it this way, even Google and Apple use MS servers to host some of their products, that should tell you something about the global reach and capability of MS in the service space.

Sony has the capability to offer this right now, but they don't. It may not be to the extent at which MS is doing it with the streaming infrastructure etc. but they can offer a version of it. They choose not to for now. Its for obvious reasons.

The big difference between MS and Sony is scope but it also is more an advantage for MS because of the position they are in.  I can assure you that the cost for Sony to run PS Now is way more than  for MS to run GP.  MS does not consider GP tied to the Xbox hardware but instead have a far more aggressive goal which is to put GP on every device that can play games. PS Now is treated like an add on with no real push, GP is treated within MS as another global service like Office and the rest of their suit, the whole company is behind GP success not just the xbox game division.

Now can Sony attempt to go this route, yes but it would cost them way more than they are willing to invest but then by the time if they every would think to do so, it probably would be to late.



Shinobi-san said:

So let me get this straight based on the responses here:

MS is the only company that can offer this service due to 'infrastructure', and gamepass (GaaS) is an obvious path to take to ensure the best gaming content for the industry? And if you disagree you are a fool?

That's not even what Zyro says in the video.

I see logical discourse has left the thread I will see my way out.

If you are going to go, then go with the understanding what you just stated was purely just your assumption more than anyone making such a statement.  First, GP is not a (GaaS).  (GaaS) is typical of games that are a continued service like free to play, Destiny etc.  GP is a game subscription model and would be considered as a rental service or along the lines of Netfix, Hulu, Disney you pretty much name it.  It has a list of games you can play that come to the service and stay on for a period of time before leaving.  Content created by the creator stays forever or for as long as they wish.

Now that we got the definition of (GaaS out of the way, games like (GaaS) actually do not need a service like GP because they are their own service with their own monetized model to make money.  You would never have to put a (GaaS) Type game on GP unless it has some single player component like Destiny or Marvels Heros.  Even still, for those games you do not have to invest in the (GaaS) part.

So no, it does not make sense to ensure best gaming content for the industry because at the root of your post, its totally flawed.  Once you understand the different models you should come back and then have another discussion that way you will not be confused with the different types of services.



My niece came over and we steamed this Disney Pixar Rush game on my tablet with the Game Pass app. I didn't have to download it, install it, or anything. Just paired up a controller and she was ready to go and it ran flawlessly. After that, I decided to download it to my Xbox. The save data was there automatically. Now, every time she comes over, it's one of the first games we play.

I own... who knows how many games at this point but Game Pass was a gift from up above.

https://twitter.com/d21lewis/status/1454478387326685191?t=Zuo5My8t-jYjAC5QZVF4jA&s=19



Angelv577 said:

I dont have a problem with gamepass but based on my needs, I rather buy the games I want to play whenever I want to instead of someone else dictating what I should play. dont have unlimited time to play plus before gamepass, I already had a backlog of more than 1,000 games that I bought everytime I saw a potential game on sale. besides, most games drop prices in a couple of months after launch anyway. deadloop is at $30 right now. in other words gamepass is not for me.

That's total cool. Game Pass isn't for everyone and I get that. It's just funny when some start throwing around bs like; "game pass is bad for the industry" and "the games are all gaas" or whatever other crap takes they can think of. 



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zero129 said:
smroadkill15 said:

That's total cool. Game Pass isn't for everyone and I get that. It's just funny when some start throwing around bs like; "game pass is bad for the industry" and "the games are all gaas" or whatever other crap takes they can think of. 

They keep saying that but yet the is so far no proof of it. Its like how people say TV shows have gotten worse thanks to streaming services etc etc, yet imo TV shows have gotten better then most movies since they are hitting a bigger audience then they ever did before and mostly at the same time all around the world and that means bigger budgets.; Id love for anyone here to tell me what was the best TV shows before netflix and streaming etc took off?.

This Gaas shit is so stupid its not even funny as if everyone who is subscribed or is going to subscribe to GP is into Gass games. I mean if that was the case it would work out better for them to buy the game then use a subscription service for it..

House, The Mentalist, Boston Legal, Bones, CSI (it's back, but crap), Firefly, The Big bang theory, Dexter, Pushing Daisies, Breaking bad, Lost, Chuck, 24, Heroes, Monk, NCIS (also crap now), The Sopranos, The Office, Will & Grace, Flight of the Concords, Law & Order various (crap now), Star Trek: Enterprise, Battlestar Galactica, Stargate: Infinity, Fringe.

Probably missed a bunch.



It’s all subjective. For my money a show like Ozark is just as good as anything on network TV. And a lot of stuff on that list posted are only available on subscriptions, be it cable or premium channel subscriptions like Showtime and HBO.



twintail said:
chakkra said:

These are the last four weeks of sales on Steam. I don't think you need me to point out that the data heavily suggests that a lot of people prefer to buy their games, despite them being on Game Pass. So yeah, I think Starfield, Skyrim 6, HB2, Perfect Dark, Fable, Indiana Jones, etc., will be fine.

Interesting charts. But, how popular is Xbox on PC? Does it make up a sizeable percentage of the overall Gamepass user numbers? If Gamepass PC is a minority, then sales being strong on Steam aren't surprising. 

Likewise, what are sales like on Xbox consoles themselves? 

I'm not suggesting that these game can't sell well despite being on gamepass, or that their budgets will be affected negatively. But I do think that without more context into gamepass, it's userbase, and the relation between sales and user numbers, it's difficult to get an accurate picture of how different elements are related to one another.

I'm struggling to follow your point here, I mean, maybe these games are selling bcuz Game Pass PC is just a tiny number, maybe they are selling bcuz Steam users just can't stop themselves from buying from that store; you can pick whatever reason you find more acceptable to you but at the end of the day, the games are selling and bringing in revenue, which is the point I was trying to make, these games do not rely solely on Game Pass.

As for how much money they do on Steam? We don't know that for sure but we can do some assumptions based on the small data that we have. For example, according to Superdata Horizon Zero Down sold 716,000 units in its first month on PC, and we know for a fact that the mayority of MS's games have consistently kept a larger player base than Horizon's, so I think we can safely assume that they indeed sold better.

HZD

Flight Simulator



I wouldn't say hating fast food makes anyone look foolish.

Some would rather, or prefer to sit down and eat at a more palatable or fancy restaurant chain and spend a little extra if they have to for that. This tends to limit your consumption to a degree however. Some have the means to gorge though.
Others are fine, or prefer sitting down or driving thru a fast food chain, since it's cheap, easy, and quick. Which also tends to mean you can eat more if you like due to the low cost and less filling meals. Some don't have the means though, so a number one, will have to suffice.

Both have their upsides and downsides. I think very few would really want to live in a world with only one or the other. Each has their place in their own way. Why not have it your way?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

For me it's simple. I would buy Forza Horizon 5, MS flight sim and Halo Infinite at or close to launch, very likely, paying full price for them. These three games only already covered the cost of my 12 mo GP ultimate sub. But the thing is, that I've already played 11 other XB games + 3 PC games from the GP library this year. There's no way in hell, I'd be able to afford all of them this year, even if every single one of them would be 50% off their launch price. Not to mention that it comes with XB gold and their free games + other discounts if I'd like to purchase games individually. Or, if you already pay £4 per month for XB live gold (with the 12-month sub), the GP ulimate will cost you £7 per month (it's £11 in the UK). 

Last edited by Kristof81 - on 25 November 2021